Re: R&S 4.0 blueprint

Oh well....let's wait and see and god willing they will do something about
it.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:

> 100% agreed Narbik. Lately, I have heard the same pattern from people --
> "2 were fair, 1 was totally obscure, and 1 was borderline" which to me
> means the entire process has become kind of a crapshoot. I've heard this
> from multiple people who were seemingly very well prepared for their labs.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I just hope that they remove the OEQs, i don't think it belongs.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Narbik,
>>>
>>> Yeah, I guess again only time will tell with the 10-15 questions thing.
>>> To me that is a big gap.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joe,
>>>>
>>>> Some people spend the entire 30 minutes on OEQs and some spend 10
>>>> minutes, so if you add you will get to 7 - 7.5 hours.
>>>>
>>>> But as far as 10 - 15 questions with a difference of 50%, well i guess
>>>> the intensity of the question should also be considered.
>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gorito is expected to speak soon to the matter again with NLI/360.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the meantime, I expect that a lot of issues will almost have to be
>>>>> common to the Tech Notes and common well-known issues and perhaps the more
>>>>> common problems associated with VRFs and maybe MPLS VPNs (RD/RT).
>>>>>
>>>>> Those might be easy to those well versed but might ruin someone's lunch
>>>>> if they come to the party less that "well-prepared".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember, we have been told it is "10 to 15 tickets" which to me is
>>>>>> quite a gap -- I mean ... thats like what 50% more? An extra 3 or 5
>>>>>> problems could definitely be an issue. Hopefully, this will be clarified.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Darby Weaver <
>>>>>> darby.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now the next question is what kinds of issues can be divided into 10
>>>>>>> tickets in about 2 horus?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe that's where the MPLS will reside?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd actually consider this most likely for the MPLS addition. It
>>>>>>> would give candidates a chance to think abotu MPLS, they'd have to
>>>>>>> understand the technology to repair/fix it and of course troubleshoot in the
>>>>>>> first place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In any event I'd expect MPLS to be light at least initially.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Darby Weaver <
>>>>>>> darby.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Narbik is counting:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. 2 Hours Troublshooting
>>>>>>>> 2. 5.5 Hours Configuration of the New Lab
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 7.5 Hours Total. +/- 30 Minutes for OEQ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Joe Astorino <
>>>>>>>> jastorino_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey Narbik,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can you expand on that idea? I thought with v4.0 we were going to
>>>>>>>>> see:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1) 30 minutes OEQ
>>>>>>>>> 2) 2 hours troubleshooting
>>>>>>>>> 3) 5.5 hours configuration
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At least that is what I got from the Ask The Expert:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://forum.cisco.com/eforum/servlet/NetProf?page=netprof&forum=Expert%20Archive&topic=Career%20Certifications&topicID=.ee7f99b&fromOutline=&CommCmd=MB%3Fcmd%3Ddisplay_location%26location%3D.2cd32078/30
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So what do you mean, 7 hours?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Narbik Kocharians <
>>>>>>>>> narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Darby,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think once you count the troubleshooting section and the
>>>>>>>>>> configuration section you end up with 7 hours, i think and i hope that Cisco
>>>>>>>>>> makes it challenging enough so the newly minted CCIEs will be knowledgeable
>>>>>>>>>> and what you would expect from a CCIE.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Darby Weaver <
>>>>>>>>>> darby.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I only counted 5.5 hours of configuration and testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This amounts to a little more than a CCIE Accessor.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However, I'm sure it will be the more difficult parts of any
>>>>>>>>>>> recent 3-5 years lab worth off complexity.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd expect the easier and more routine topics will be
>>>>>>>>>>> pre-coninfigured. Leaving the candidate to sort out the more difficult or
>>>>>>>>>>> time consuming topics.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is, the lower order topics may be considered mastery by
>>>>>>>>>>> virtue of completing the troubleshooting section and whatever is left of the
>>>>>>>>>>> OEQ.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Marko Milivojevic <
>>>>>>>>>>> markom_at_markom.info> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 22:52, Narbik Kocharians <
>>>>>>>>>>>> narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> > I agree with Iwan, you should know:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > - LDP
>>>>>>>>>>>> > - Basic MPLS
>>>>>>>>>>>> > - RSVP - (I kinda find it hard to believe that this would be
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the exam,
>>>>>>>>>>>> > like Scott mentioned, TE is NOT part of this exam,
>>>>>>>>>>>> > B B B B B B B they don't even hit it hard in the SP
>>>>>>>>>>>> track).
>>>>>>>>>>>> > - L3 VPN's - Static routes, RIPv2, Eigrp, OSPF, BGP
>>>>>>>>>>>> > - VRF & VRF Lite
>>>>>>>>>>>> > - Complex VPNs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would actually be surprised to see any complex VPN's to begin
>>>>>>>>>>>> with.
>>>>>>>>>>>> With 6 hours and all the other fun stuff there, this *could* be
>>>>>>>>>>>> just a
>>>>>>>>>>>> little bit too much. However, we shouldn't forget the
>>>>>>>>>>>> troubleshooting
>>>>>>>>>>>> section. That opens many new possibilities for introducing
>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff to troubleshoot. For example, we may not have a complex
>>>>>>>>>>>> redistribution scenario to configure, but we may have a monster
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> troubleshoot...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just thinking out loud here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Marko
>>>>>>>>>>>> CCIE #18427 (SP)
>>>>>>>>>>>> My network blog: http://cisco.markom.info/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Darby Weaver
>>>>>>>>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Narbik Kocharians
>>>>>>>>>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>>>>>>>>> www.MicronicsTraining.com <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> Sr. Technical Instructor
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
>>>>>>>>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>>>>>> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
>>>>>>>>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>>>>>>>>> Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Darby Weaver
>>>>>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 407-802-7394
>>>>>>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Darby Weaver
>>>>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 407-802-7394
>>>>>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
>>>>>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>>> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
>>>>>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>>>>>> Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Darby Weaver
>>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>>
>>>>> 407-802-7394
>>>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Narbik Kocharians
>>>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>>> www.MicronicsTraining.com <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
>>>> Sr. Technical Instructor
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
>>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Narbik Kocharians
>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>> www.MicronicsTraining.com <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
>> Sr. Technical Instructor
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>

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