100% agreed Narbik. Lately, I have heard the same pattern from people -- "2
were fair, 1 was totally obscure, and 1 was borderline" which to me means
the entire process has become kind of a crapshoot. I've heard this from
multiple people who were seemingly very well prepared for their labs.
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> I just hope that they remove the OEQs, i don't think it belongs.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:
>
>> Thanks Narbik,
>>
>> Yeah, I guess again only time will tell with the 10-15 questions thing.
>> To me that is a big gap.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Joe,
>>>
>>> Some people spend the entire 30 minutes on OEQs and some spend 10
>>> minutes, so if you add you will get to 7 - 7.5 hours.
>>>
>>> But as far as 10 - 15 questions with a difference of 50%, well i guess
>>> the intensity of the question should also be considered.
>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gorito is expected to speak soon to the matter again with NLI/360.
>>>>
>>>> In the meantime, I expect that a lot of issues will almost have to be
>>>> common to the Tech Notes and common well-known issues and perhaps the more
>>>> common problems associated with VRFs and maybe MPLS VPNs (RD/RT).
>>>>
>>>> Those might be easy to those well versed but might ruin someone's lunch
>>>> if they come to the party less that "well-prepared".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Remember, we have been told it is "10 to 15 tickets" which to me is
>>>>> quite a gap -- I mean ... thats like what 50% more? An extra 3 or 5
>>>>> problems could definitely be an issue. Hopefully, this will be clarified.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now the next question is what kinds of issues can be divided into 10
>>>>>> tickets in about 2 horus?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe that's where the MPLS will reside?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd actually consider this most likely for the MPLS addition. It
>>>>>> would give candidates a chance to think abotu MPLS, they'd have to
>>>>>> understand the technology to repair/fix it and of course troubleshoot in the
>>>>>> first place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In any event I'd expect MPLS to be light at least initially.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Darby Weaver <
>>>>>> darby.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Narbik is counting:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. 2 Hours Troublshooting
>>>>>>> 2. 5.5 Hours Configuration of the New Lab
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 7.5 Hours Total. +/- 30 Minutes for OEQ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Joe Astorino <
>>>>>>> jastorino_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Narbik,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you expand on that idea? I thought with v4.0 we were going to
>>>>>>>> see:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) 30 minutes OEQ
>>>>>>>> 2) 2 hours troubleshooting
>>>>>>>> 3) 5.5 hours configuration
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At least that is what I got from the Ask The Expert:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://forum.cisco.com/eforum/servlet/NetProf?page=netprof&forum=Expert%20Archive&topic=Career%20Certifications&topicID=.ee7f99b&fromOutline=&CommCmd=MB%3Fcmd%3Ddisplay_location%26location%3D.2cd32078/30
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So what do you mean, 7 hours?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Narbik Kocharians <
>>>>>>>> narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Darby,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think once you count the troubleshooting section and the
>>>>>>>>> configuration section you end up with 7 hours, i think and i hope that Cisco
>>>>>>>>> makes it challenging enough so the newly minted CCIEs will be knowledgeable
>>>>>>>>> and what you would expect from a CCIE.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Darby Weaver <
>>>>>>>>> darby.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I only counted 5.5 hours of configuration and testing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This amounts to a little more than a CCIE Accessor.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However, I'm sure it will be the more difficult parts of any
>>>>>>>>>> recent 3-5 years lab worth off complexity.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'd expect the easier and more routine topics will be
>>>>>>>>>> pre-coninfigured. Leaving the candidate to sort out the more difficult or
>>>>>>>>>> time consuming topics.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That is, the lower order topics may be considered mastery by
>>>>>>>>>> virtue of completing the troubleshooting section and whatever is left of the
>>>>>>>>>> OEQ.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Marko Milivojevic <
>>>>>>>>>> markom_at_markom.info> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 22:52, Narbik Kocharians <
>>>>>>>>>>> narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > I agree with Iwan, you should know:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > - LDP
>>>>>>>>>>> > - Basic MPLS
>>>>>>>>>>> > - RSVP - (I kinda find it hard to believe that this would be in
>>>>>>>>>>> the exam,
>>>>>>>>>>> > like Scott mentioned, TE is NOT part of this exam,
>>>>>>>>>>> > B B B B B B B they don't even hit it hard in the SP
>>>>>>>>>>> track).
>>>>>>>>>>> > - L3 VPN's - Static routes, RIPv2, Eigrp, OSPF, BGP
>>>>>>>>>>> > - VRF & VRF Lite
>>>>>>>>>>> > - Complex VPNs.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would actually be surprised to see any complex VPN's to begin
>>>>>>>>>>> with.
>>>>>>>>>>> With 6 hours and all the other fun stuff there, this *could* be
>>>>>>>>>>> just a
>>>>>>>>>>> little bit too much. However, we shouldn't forget the
>>>>>>>>>>> troubleshooting
>>>>>>>>>>> section. That opens many new possibilities for introducing
>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>> stuff to troubleshoot. For example, we may not have a complex
>>>>>>>>>>> redistribution scenario to configure, but we may have a monster
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> troubleshoot...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just thinking out loud here.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Marko
>>>>>>>>>>> CCIE #18427 (SP)
>>>>>>>>>>> My network blog: http://cisco.markom.info/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Darby Weaver
>>>>>>>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 407-802-7394
>>>>>>>>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Narbik Kocharians
>>>>>>>>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>>>>>>>> www.MicronicsTraining.com <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
>>>>>>>>> Sr. Technical Instructor
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
>>>>>>>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>>>>> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
>>>>>>>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>>>>>>>> Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Darby Weaver
>>>>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 407-802-7394
>>>>>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Darby Weaver
>>>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 407-802-7394
>>>>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
>>>>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
>>>>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>>>>> Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Darby Weaver
>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>
>>>> 407-802-7394
>>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Narbik Kocharians
>>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>> www.MicronicsTraining.com <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
>>> Sr. Technical Instructor
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>> Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Narbik Kocharians
> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> www.MicronicsTraining.com
> Sr. Technical Instructor
>
-- Regards, Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc. Cell: +1.586.212.6107 Fax: +1.810.454.0130 Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.netReceived on Sun Sep 13 2009 - 23:59:14 ART
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