Re: R&S 4.0 blueprint

I just hope that they remove the OEQs, i don't think it belongs.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:

> Thanks Narbik,
>
> Yeah, I guess again only time will tell with the 10-15 questions thing. To
> me that is a big gap.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Joe,
>>
>> Some people spend the entire 30 minutes on OEQs and some spend 10 minutes,
>> so if you add you will get to 7 - 7.5 hours.
>>
>> But as far as 10 - 15 questions with a difference of 50%, well i guess the
>> intensity of the question should also be considered.
>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Gorito is expected to speak soon to the matter again with NLI/360.
>>>
>>> In the meantime, I expect that a lot of issues will almost have to be
>>> common to the Tech Notes and common well-known issues and perhaps the more
>>> common problems associated with VRFs and maybe MPLS VPNs (RD/RT).
>>>
>>> Those might be easy to those well versed but might ruin someone's lunch
>>> if they come to the party less that "well-prepared".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Remember, we have been told it is "10 to 15 tickets" which to me is
>>>> quite a gap -- I mean ... thats like what 50% more? An extra 3 or 5
>>>> problems could definitely be an issue. Hopefully, this will be clarified.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Now the next question is what kinds of issues can be divided into 10
>>>>> tickets in about 2 horus?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe that's where the MPLS will reside?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd actually consider this most likely for the MPLS addition. It would
>>>>> give candidates a chance to think abotu MPLS, they'd have to understand the
>>>>> technology to repair/fix it and of course troubleshoot in the first place.
>>>>>
>>>>> In any event I'd expect MPLS to be light at least initially.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Narbik is counting:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. 2 Hours Troublshooting
>>>>>> 2. 5.5 Hours Configuration of the New Lab
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 7.5 Hours Total. +/- 30 Minutes for OEQ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Joe Astorino <
>>>>>> jastorino_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Narbik,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you expand on that idea? I thought with v4.0 we were going to
>>>>>>> see:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) 30 minutes OEQ
>>>>>>> 2) 2 hours troubleshooting
>>>>>>> 3) 5.5 hours configuration
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At least that is what I got from the Ask The Expert:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://forum.cisco.com/eforum/servlet/NetProf?page=netprof&forum=Expert%20Archive&topic=Career%20Certifications&topicID=.ee7f99b&fromOutline=&CommCmd=MB%3Fcmd%3Ddisplay_location%26location%3D.2cd32078/30
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So what do you mean, 7 hours?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Narbik Kocharians <
>>>>>>> narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Darby,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think once you count the troubleshooting section and the
>>>>>>>> configuration section you end up with 7 hours, i think and i hope that Cisco
>>>>>>>> makes it challenging enough so the newly minted CCIEs will be knowledgeable
>>>>>>>> and what you would expect from a CCIE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Darby Weaver <
>>>>>>>> darby.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I only counted 5.5 hours of configuration and testing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This amounts to a little more than a CCIE Accessor.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, I'm sure it will be the more difficult parts of any recent
>>>>>>>>> 3-5 years lab worth off complexity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'd expect the easier and more routine topics will be
>>>>>>>>> pre-coninfigured. Leaving the candidate to sort out the more difficult or
>>>>>>>>> time consuming topics.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is, the lower order topics may be considered mastery by virtue
>>>>>>>>> of completing the troubleshooting section and whatever is left of the OEQ.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Marko Milivojevic <
>>>>>>>>> markom_at_markom.info> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 22:52, Narbik Kocharians <
>>>>>>>>>> narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > I agree with Iwan, you should know:
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > - LDP
>>>>>>>>>> > - Basic MPLS
>>>>>>>>>> > - RSVP - (I kinda find it hard to believe that this would be in
>>>>>>>>>> the exam,
>>>>>>>>>> > like Scott mentioned, TE is NOT part of this exam,
>>>>>>>>>> > B B B B B B B they don't even hit it hard in the SP
>>>>>>>>>> track).
>>>>>>>>>> > - L3 VPN's - Static routes, RIPv2, Eigrp, OSPF, BGP
>>>>>>>>>> > - VRF & VRF Lite
>>>>>>>>>> > - Complex VPNs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would actually be surprised to see any complex VPN's to begin
>>>>>>>>>> with.
>>>>>>>>>> With 6 hours and all the other fun stuff there, this *could* be
>>>>>>>>>> just a
>>>>>>>>>> little bit too much. However, we shouldn't forget the
>>>>>>>>>> troubleshooting
>>>>>>>>>> section. That opens many new possibilities for introducing
>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>> stuff to troubleshoot. For example, we may not have a complex
>>>>>>>>>> redistribution scenario to configure, but we may have a monster to
>>>>>>>>>> troubleshoot...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just thinking out loud here.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Marko
>>>>>>>>>> CCIE #18427 (SP)
>>>>>>>>>> My network blog: http://cisco.markom.info/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> Subscription information may be found at:
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Darby Weaver
>>>>>>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 407-802-7394
>>>>>>>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Narbik Kocharians
>>>>>>>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>>>>>>> www.MicronicsTraining.com <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
>>>>>>>> Sr. Technical Instructor
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
>>>>>>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>>>> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
>>>>>>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>>>>>>> Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Darby Weaver
>>>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 407-802-7394
>>>>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Darby Weaver
>>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>>
>>>>> 407-802-7394
>>>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
>>>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>>>> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
>>>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>>>> Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Darby Weaver
>>> Network Engineer
>>>
>>> 407-802-7394
>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Narbik Kocharians
>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>> www.MicronicsTraining.com <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
>> Sr. Technical Instructor
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>

-- 
Narbik Kocharians
CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
www.MicronicsTraining.com
Sr. Technical Instructor
Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net