Re: R&S 4.0 blueprint

Screw it I say not book dates until they remove this is america. The campus in sj can't survive if the engineers protest we maintain, recommend and design based on cisco solutions what if we started recommending juniper to our employers
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-----Original Message-----
From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>

Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:15:10
To: Joe Astorino<jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
Cc: Darby Weaver<darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>; Marko Milivojevic<markom_at_markom.info>; Scott Morris<smorris_at_ine.com>; Michael Jones<majonestx_at_gmail.com>; Iwan Hoogendoorn<iwan_at_ipexpert.com>; Christopher Copley<copley.chris_at_gmail.com>; Cisco certification<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Subject: Re: R&S 4.0 blueprint

Oh well....let's wait and see and god willing they will do something about
it.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:

> 100% agreed Narbik. Lately, I have heard the same pattern from people --
> "2 were fair, 1 was totally obscure, and 1 was borderline" which to me
> means the entire process has become kind of a crapshoot. I've heard this
> from multiple people who were seemingly very well prepared for their labs.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:53 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> I just hope that they remove the OEQs, i don't think it belongs.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:23 PM, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Narbik,
>>>
>>> Yeah, I guess again only time will tell with the 10-15 questions thing.
>>> To me that is a big gap.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:11 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joe,
>>>>
>>>> Some people spend the entire 30 minutes on OEQs and some spend 10
>>>> minutes, so if you add you will get to 7 - 7.5 hours.
>>>>
>>>> But as far as 10 - 15 questions with a difference of 50%, well i guess
>>>> the intensity of the question should also be considered.
>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gorito is expected to speak soon to the matter again with NLI/360.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the meantime, I expect that a lot of issues will almost have to be
>>>>> common to the Tech Notes and common well-known issues and perhaps the more
>>>>> common problems associated with VRFs and maybe MPLS VPNs (RD/RT).
>>>>>
>>>>> Those might be easy to those well versed but might ruin someone's lunch
>>>>> if they come to the party less that "well-prepared".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Joe Astorino <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Remember, we have been told it is "10 to 15 tickets" which to me is
>>>>>> quite a gap -- I mean ... thats like what 50% more? An extra 3 or 5
>>>>>> problems could definitely be an issue. Hopefully, this will be clarified.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Darby Weaver <
>>>>>> darby.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now the next question is what kinds of issues can be divided into 10
>>>>>>> tickets in about 2 horus?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe that's where the MPLS will reside?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd actually consider this most likely for the MPLS addition. It
>>>>>>> would give candidates a chance to think abotu MPLS, they'd have to
>>>>>>> understand the technology to repair/fix it and of course troubleshoot in the
>>>>>>> first place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In any event I'd expect MPLS to be light at least initially.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Darby Weaver <
>>>>>>> darby.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Narbik is counting:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. 2 Hours Troublshooting
>>>>>>>> 2. 5.5 Hours Configuration of the New Lab
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 7.5 Hours Total. +/- 30 Minutes for OEQ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:06 PM, Joe Astorino <
>>>>>>>> jastorino_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey Narbik,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can you expand on that idea? I thought with v4.0 we were going to
>>>>>>>>> see:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1) 30 minutes OEQ
>>>>>>>>> 2) 2 hours troubleshooting
>>>>>>>>> 3) 5.5 hours configuration
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At least that is what I got from the Ask The Expert:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://forum.cisco.com/eforum/servlet/NetProf?page=netprof&forum=Expert%20Archive&topic=Career%20Certifications&topicID=.ee7f99b&fromOutline=&CommCmd=MB%3Fcmd%3Ddisplay_location%26location%3D.2cd32078/30
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So what do you mean, 7 hours?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Narbik Kocharians <
>>>>>>>>> narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Darby,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think once you count the troubleshooting section and the
>>>>>>>>>> configuration section you end up with 7 hours, i think and i hope that Cisco
>>>>>>>>>> makes it challenging enough so the newly minted CCIEs will be knowledgeable
>>>>>>>>>> and what you would expect from a CCIE.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Darby Weaver <
>>>>>>>>>> darby.weaver_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I only counted 5.5 hours of configuration and testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This amounts to a little more than a CCIE Accessor.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However, I'm sure it will be the more difficult parts of any
>>>>>>>>>>> recent 3-5 years lab worth off complexity.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd expect the easier and more routine topics will be
>>>>>>>>>>> pre-coninfigured. Leaving the candidate to sort out the more difficult or
>>>>>>>>>>> time consuming topics.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That is, the lower order topics may be considered mastery by
>>>>>>>>>>> virtue of completing the troubleshooting section and whatever is left of the
>>>>>>>>>>> OEQ.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Marko Milivojevic <
>>>>>>>>>>> markom_at_markom.info> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 22:52, Narbik Kocharians <
>>>>>>>>>>>> narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> > I agree with Iwan, you should know:
>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> > - LDP
>>>>>>>>>>>> > - Basic MPLS
>>>>>>>>>>>> > - RSVP - (I kinda find it hard to believe that this would be
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the exam,
>>>>>>>>>>>> > like Scott mentioned, TE is NOT part of this exam,
>>>>>>>>>>>> > B B B B B B B they don't even hit it hard in the SP
>>>>>>>>>>>> track).
>>>>>>>>>>>> > - L3 VPN's - Static routes, RIPv2, Eigrp, OSPF, BGP
>>>>>>>>>>>> > - VRF & VRF Lite
>>>>>>>>>>>> > - Complex VPNs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would actually be surprised to see any complex VPN's to begin
>>>>>>>>>>>> with.
>>>>>>>>>>>> With 6 hours and all the other fun stuff there, this *could* be
>>>>>>>>>>>> just a
>>>>>>>>>>>> little bit too much. However, we shouldn't forget the
>>>>>>>>>>>> troubleshooting
>>>>>>>>>>>> section. That opens many new possibilities for introducing
>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff to troubleshoot. For example, we may not have a complex
>>>>>>>>>>>> redistribution scenario to configure, but we may have a monster
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> troubleshoot...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just thinking out loud here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>> Marko
>>>>>>>>>>>> CCIE #18427 (SP)
>>>>>>>>>>>> My network blog: http://cisco.markom.info/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Darby Weaver
>>>>>>>>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 407-802-7394
>>>>>>>>>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Narbik Kocharians
>>>>>>>>>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>>>>>>>>> www.MicronicsTraining.com <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
>>>>>>>>>> Sr. Technical Instructor
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
>>>>>>>>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>>>>>> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
>>>>>>>>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>>>>>>>>> Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Darby Weaver
>>>>>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 407-802-7394
>>>>>>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Darby Weaver
>>>>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 407-802-7394
>>>>>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
>>>>>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>>> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
>>>>>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>>>>>> Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Darby Weaver
>>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>>
>>>>> 407-802-7394
>>>>> darbyweaver_at_yahoo.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Narbik Kocharians
>>>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>>> www.MicronicsTraining.com <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
>>>> Sr. Technical Instructor
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
>>> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
>>> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
>>> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
>>> Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Narbik Kocharians
>> CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>> www.MicronicsTraining.com <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
>> Sr. Technical Instructor
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Joe Astorino - CCIE #24347 R&S
> Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
> Cell: +1.586.212.6107
> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> Mailto: jastorino_at_ipexpert.com
>

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www.MicronicsTraining.com
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