Re: OT: Why do about 4000+ CCIEs of 25,000 CCIE's...

Is it? It mush have been hidden from me behind a thick undergrowth of
other words... :-) Are you sure they are only active/suspended CCIEs on
the stats page? It doesn't say it anywhere.

And even if it is so, you are missing a temporal dimension on that, just
a bare figure doesn't say much. Most interesting to observe it's
distribution function in time. :-)

A.

Darby Weaver wrote:
> That's my original query. Of course since they are gone they probably
> are not here.
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Alexei Monastyrnyi
> <alexeim73_at_gmail.com <mailto:alexeim73_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> As time passes there are always people who will disengage from
> being an active CCIE for one or another reason. And there will be
> actually more of them in the future since more people are passing
> the lab now than 7-10 years ago. I think the process is quite natural.
>
> I am actually more interested to hear where do the gap numbers go,
> like 1025 being the first one and publicly saying there are around
> 20K CCIEs, with real numbers above 25K... where have them 4K gap
> numbers gone to? :-)
>
> A.
>
>
> ccievoice1 wrote:
>
> Another example, my ex-boss whose CCIE#3XXX already expired
> his CCIE status
> 4~ 5 years back. He didn't need to have the CCIE# active as he
> is now
> running his own consulting business which earning much much
> more than
> working in Cisco Gold Partner as CCIE previously.
>
> I believe there are many similar cases out there as well. Life
> need to goes
> on. And at every stages we have different needs and we do
> evolve :)
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Darby Weaver
> <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com <mailto:darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>>wrote:
>
>
>
> Good point Anthony and very wisely said.
>
> I'm engaged in a dialogue about this and maybe it will
> make it to the
> public
> soon wnough.
>
> I think we have a few examples of this kind of thing from
> at least a few
> former CCIE's.
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Anthony Sequeira
> <asequeira_at_ine.com <mailto:asequeira_at_ine.com>>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> I think it would be fairly interesting to hear from
> former CCIEs that let
> their cert expire. I heard that Jeff Doyle did (Cisco
> Press).
>
> Unfortunately, I think we have about a 0% chance of
> finding them reading
> this post on GS.
>
> :-)
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
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> On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Darby Weaver wrote:
>
> Anyone care to speculate why 4000+ CCIE's don't think
> simply taking the
>
>
> CCIE
> Written again is worth all the effort they spent
> to get the CCIE in the
> first place and maintain it?
>
> I have to ask the question?
>
> A few CCIE's are asking me now and and a lot of
> CCIE's have asked me
> overall
> over the last few years - "How to get employed
> after attaining the
>
>
> CCIE?"
>
>
> Others seem to have an issue getting that raise or
> advancement.
>
> Is the ROI not there for about 1 in 6 CCIE's?
>
> Now while most of us say we seek the cert for
> personal reasons.... and
> this
> may be true since 5 in 6 are staying certified...
>
> But consider this:
>
> About 6,000 CCIE's and maybe even 9,000 or so are
> newly certified -
> meaning
> thay have yet to have to recertify or may be in
> Suspended Mode for not
> certifying in time and have a year to catch up...
>
> so...
>
> Now we have about 4000 or 16000 CCIE's who choose
> to let their CCIE
>
>
> wither
>
>
> an die....
>
> I have to ask why those 25% think the CCIE not
> worth the effort of
> maintaining after such an effort?
>
> Now before we start... I guess a lot of people
> will chime in
> anonymously...
>
>
> That's great we are on the Internet.
>
> But if a fomer CCIE (verifiable) were to chime in
> on why he/she did not
> think the cert worth maintaining... that would be
> interesting.
>
>
> Can it be that many are just not finding jobs with
> the CCIE or just
> plainly
> have not seen the value...
>
> It costs most people at least $10-30k to achieve
> and 1-3+ years to
> attain...
>
> Not worth spending 3-6 months to prep for the CCIE
> Written and pay the
> $3xx.00 to maintain the certification?
>
> Why not?
>
> Did all of them just burnout, retire, or just die?
>
> Seems like a high number for all three of those
> reasons combined.
>
>
> Of course everyone has their own reasons....
>
>
> Just curious...
>
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