Re: Petition: Revamp or Replace OEQ

Can I get an amen from other instructors?

And let the trivial pursuit of groupstudy begin?

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:

> Well, who exactly did you ask? I certainly haven't seen them.
>
> Amazingly, the basics of technology haven't changed since 2002. So I don't
> see an "old" question as being a bad thing, provided they didn't pull
> Appletalk or something like that. ;)
>
> It has nothing to do with being an instructor. It has to do with
> understanding things. If you believe a vlan = subnet, and have absolutely
> zero understanding beyond that, it's a problem. There are plenty of
> ENGINEERS who know lots of things, and I'd venture to say there are many
> people out there who know things that I do not. And vice-versa.
>
> Bring it on.
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> Darby Weaver wrote:
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> Good one.
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> To bad the vendors I asked can't anwer the OEQ I sent them correctly yet.
>
> I've seen some OEQ that were ridiculously easy and I guess it is the luck of
> the draw.
>
> However, there are some that google can't find and some not found easily.
>
> Hey wait... I did find one in a Cisco Press Book published back in like
> 2002...
>
> Simple enough issue if you'd seen it or been presented with it I suppose...
>
>
> We need a boxed game called:
>
> CCIE Trivial Pursuit.
>
> Some of these questions are simply not being covered by the references you'd
> expect.
>
> I am going to verify this one with the Cisco Press Book that is latest on
> the subject to be 100% for sure. Let's say it interests me.
>
> I fugure instructors who teach the stuff ought to have a fair grasp of
> things and whether or not they can deduce a solution in under 30 minutes -
> correctly?
>
> Maybe that's the intent?
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> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 1:05 PM, William McCall <william.mccall_at_gmail.com> <william.mccall_at_gmail.com>wrote:
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> Call the waaaaaambulance.
>
> I passed it with the core knowledge section. Many others have too. If you
> didn't pass because of the core knowledge section, Cisco intended for you to
> not pass.
>
> Play the game or get left out. Petitioning Cisco to dumb down the exam to
> make people happy isn't going to work. I think the next thing they should do
> is include the requirement of knowing full PDU structures.
>
> For people who failed solely because of core knowledge, I'm sorry. Pick
> yourselves back up and start again. Moaning and groaning about it just makes
> you look whiny to people who had to do it. Failure is one of the things that
> you must learn to accept in life, even if it is at $1400 plus travel and
> lodging a pop. Just because you paid for the opportunity doesn't mean you
> earned the cert.
>
> An example, when I was going for my CCNP, I failed the ISCW 3 times before
> I finally passed. On the 4th one, I thought, "I should probably just give up
> on this and go get my CCIE written," but instead, I went back and took it
> and finally passed it.
>
> If you have some concrete examples (no NDA breaking, please!) of questions
> that cannot be solved, I will be more than happy to find the answers for
> you. I will take a maximum of 10 good questions.
>
> Ladies and Gents, Cisco does not really want you to fail, but they DO want
> to have prestige in the CCIE program.
>
> --WM
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> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com> <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
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>
> Seems like we need a petition to make the point clear.
>
> Now if some of you guys don't think that some of the OEQ's are fair... I
> have to ask the question is repeating "Hearsay" even close the breaking
> the
> NDA?
>
> Because if I were to show you some questions that I've run across you
> might now find them so easy and if the instructors themselves can't find
> reasonable answers... in a reasonable time-frame... (Ummm.... Candidates
> only get 30 minutes for 4 of these puppies and no use of Google.com btw).
>
> I've got to ask you? Who are we trying to get to pass the CCIE Lab?
>
> Disclaimer: See the first batch of OEQ. Straight forward mostly.
>
> If your questions start asking "Why"...
>
> You might as well just hand in your lab guide and catch your plane and go
> home... Unless you know you nailed them and did not second guess
> yourself.
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