RE: Petition: Revamp or Replace OEQ

Darby,

Since you are the one having issues answering the OEQs, I think it's you
who needs the practice and not the other vendors - especially those who
have already passed the lab exam. Better yet, if you dislike Cisco and
the CCIE lab exam so much that you want to start a petition, why not
just move on, stop posting on groupstudy complaining about Cisco, and
give Juniper a call? If you don't like Cisco's policies about their
certifications, go for a different one. That would probably be a more
effective use of your time: prepare, study, understand, learn!

thanks,

Brad Ellis

CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)

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From: Darby Weaver [mailto:darby.weaver_at_gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 10:26 AM
To: Brad Ellis
Cc: William McCall; ccie forum
Subject: Re: Petition: Revamp or Replace OEQ

Sorry Brad,

Maurilio addressed nearly every possible question on Jives already. I'm
sure there are a lot of people who might want to ask some of those same
questions again.

If you'd prefer I could ask a question or two here just to see how many
of our vendors can answer a deck of 4 OEQs and their best instructors in
under 30 minutes.

Maybe they can? Individually or collectively and with outside resources
- Who is to say and better yet...

Ask them to reference where they cover the question in their own
materials?

Now I can do this pretty quickly. And maybe I'm wrong... Maybe these
questions are pretty common fare all the time.

What about when they are not?

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:

Well said William. There's always going to be people complaining for one
reason or another. I think it's great that Cisco is constantly changing
the exam. It helps keep it as legit as possible. Maurilio is going to be
presenting in a webinar we are holding on August 6th. One of his topics
is going to be how to properly address the OEQ part of the exam. If you
haven't signed up for the webinar with Maurilio and others, please make
sure and do so. We have a limit of 500 people in the Webex room.

http://www.ccbootcamp.com/cciewebex.html

thanks,
Brad Ellis
CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
CCSI# 30482
CEO / President
CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
Email: brad_at_ccbootcamp.com
Toll Free: 877-654-2243
International: +1-702-968-5100
Skype: skype:ccbootcamp?call
FAX: +1-702-446-8012
YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
Training And Remote Racks: http://www.ccbootcamp.com
<http://www.ccbootcamp.com/>

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
William McCall
Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 10:05 AM
To: Darby Weaver
Cc: ccie forum
Subject: Re: Petition: Revamp or Replace OEQ

Call the waaaaaambulance.

I passed it with the core knowledge section. Many others have too. If
you
didn't pass because of the core knowledge section, Cisco intended for
you to
not pass.

Play the game or get left out. Petitioning Cisco to dumb down the exam
to
make people happy isn't going to work. I think the next thing they
should do
is include the requirement of knowing full PDU structures.

For people who failed solely because of core knowledge, I'm sorry. Pick
yourselves back up and start again. Moaning and groaning about it just
makes
you look whiny to people who had to do it. Failure is one of the things
that
you must learn to accept in life, even if it is at $1400 plus travel and
lodging a pop. Just because you paid for the opportunity doesn't mean
you
earned the cert.

An example, when I was going for my CCNP, I failed the ISCW 3 times
before I
finally passed. On the 4th one, I thought, "I should probably just give
up
on this and go get my CCIE written," but instead, I went back and took
it
and finally passed it.

If you have some concrete examples (no NDA breaking, please!) of
questions
that cannot be solved, I will be more than happy to find the answers for
you. I will take a maximum of 10 good questions.

Ladies and Gents, Cisco does not really want you to fail, but they DO
want
to have prestige in the CCIE program.

--WM

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Darby Weaver
<darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Seems like we need a petition to make the point clear.
>
> Now if some of you guys don't think that some of the OEQ's are fair...
I
> have to ask the question is repeating "Hearsay" even close the
breaking the
> NDA?
>
> Because if I were to show you some questions that I've run across you
> might now find them so easy and if the instructors themselves can't
find
> reasonable answers... in a reasonable time-frame... (Ummm....
Candidates
> only get 30 minutes for 4 of these puppies and no use of Google.com
btw).
>
> I've got to ask you? Who are we trying to get to pass the CCIE Lab?
>
> Disclaimer: See the first batch of OEQ. Straight forward mostly.
>
> If your questions start asking "Why"...
>
> You might as well just hand in your lab guide and catch your plane and
go
> home... Unless you know you nailed them and did not second guess
> yourself.
>
>
>
>
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