Re: Petition: Revamp or Replace OEQ

Brad,

Hah! How's that 360 coming along... I've not been to your site in a
while. I stopped by NMC's site. Seems they are not updating it with but
like 1 CCIE since Clay Auch passed.

I've not said I personally have trouble with questions.

I have a few people and well maybe more than a few that consult with me and
some of the issues and their concerns prompts me to action.

I thought you might have guessed that part.

I actually signed up to take this lab with the OEQ. Maybe I'll get 4 easy
ones and maybe I'll tank on them...

Take your cheap shots at me if you will...

Those that I represent by this post know who they are and I'd like to ask
people here and now...

1. Did you feel your trainer trained you for the OEQ you received - was it
covered in your bootcamp?

2. I'm sure the 360 program should be able to answer positively to this.

Now to this I ask would not the the Troublshooting Questions adequately
address the issue that the OEQ are designed to resolve.

?

On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:

> Darby,
>
>
>
> Since you are the one having issues answering the OEQs, I think its you
> who needs the practice and not the other vendors  especially those who
have
> already passed the lab exam. Better yet, if you dislike Cisco and the CCIE
> lab exam so much that you want to start a petition, why not just move on,
> stop posting on groupstudy complaining about Cisco, and give Juniper a
call?
> If you dont like Ciscos policies about their certifications, go for a
> different one. That would probably be a more effective use of your time:
> prepare, study, understand, learn!
>
>
>
> thanks,
>
> Brad Ellis
>
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> *From:* Darby Weaver [mailto:darby.weaver_at_gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 05, 2009 10:26 AM
> *To:* Brad Ellis
> *Cc:* William McCall; ccie forum
>
> *Subject:* Re: Petition: Revamp or Replace OEQ
>
>
>
> Sorry Brad,
>
>
>
> Maurilio addressed nearly every possible question on Jives already. I'm
> sure there are a lot of people who might want to ask some of those same
> questions again.
>
>
>
> If you'd prefer I could ask a question or two here just to see how many of
> our vendors can answer a deck of 4 OEQs and their best instructors in under
> 30 minutes.
>
>
>
> Maybe they can? Individually or collectively and with outside resources -
> Who is to say and better yet...
>
>
>
> Ask them to reference where they cover the question in their own materials?
>
>
>
> Now I can do this pretty quickly. And maybe I'm wrong... Maybe these
> questions are pretty common fare all the time.
>
>
>
> What about when they are not?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>
> Well said William. There's always going to be people complaining for one
> reason or another. I think it's great that Cisco is constantly changing
> the exam. It helps keep it as legit as possible. Maurilio is going to be
> presenting in a webinar we are holding on August 6th. One of his topics
> is going to be how to properly address the OEQ part of the exam. If you
> haven't signed up for the webinar with Maurilio and others, please make
> sure and do so. We have a limit of 500 people in the Webex room.
>
> http://www.ccbootcamp.com/cciewebex.html
>
> thanks,
> Brad Ellis
> CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> CCSI# 30482
> CEO / President
> CCBOOTCAMP - Cisco Learning Solutions Partner (CLSP)
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> William McCall
> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 10:05 AM
> To: Darby Weaver
> Cc: ccie forum
> Subject: Re: Petition: Revamp or Replace OEQ
>
> Call the waaaaaambulance.
>
> I passed it with the core knowledge section. Many others have too. If
> you
> didn't pass because of the core knowledge section, Cisco intended for
> you to
> not pass.
>
> Play the game or get left out. Petitioning Cisco to dumb down the exam
> to
> make people happy isn't going to work. I think the next thing they
> should do
> is include the requirement of knowing full PDU structures.
>
> For people who failed solely because of core knowledge, I'm sorry. Pick
> yourselves back up and start again. Moaning and groaning about it just
> makes
> you look whiny to people who had to do it. Failure is one of the things
> that
> you must learn to accept in life, even if it is at $1400 plus travel and
> lodging a pop. Just because you paid for the opportunity doesn't mean
> you
> earned the cert.
>
> An example, when I was going for my CCNP, I failed the ISCW 3 times
> before I
> finally passed. On the 4th one, I thought, "I should probably just give
> up
> on this and go get my CCIE written," but instead, I went back and took
> it
> and finally passed it.
>
> If you have some concrete examples (no NDA breaking, please!) of
> questions
> that cannot be solved, I will be more than happy to find the answers for
> you. I will take a maximum of 10 good questions.
>
> Ladies and Gents, Cisco does not really want you to fail, but they DO
> want
> to have prestige in the CCIE program.
>
> --WM
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:35 AM, Darby Weaver
> <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Seems like we need a petition to make the point clear.
> >
> > Now if some of you guys don't think that some of the OEQ's are fair...
> I
> > have to ask the question is repeating "Hearsay" even close the
> breaking the
> > NDA?
> >
> > Because if I were to show you some questions that I've run across you
> > might now find them so easy and if the instructors themselves can't
> find
> > reasonable answers... in a reasonable time-frame... (Ummm....
> Candidates
> > only get 30 minutes for 4 of these puppies and no use of Google.com
> btw).
> >
> > I've got to ask you? Who are we trying to get to pass the CCIE Lab?
> >
> > Disclaimer: See the first batch of OEQ. Straight forward mostly.
> >
> > If your questions start asking "Why"...
> >
> > You might as well just hand in your lab guide and catch your plane and
> go
> > home... Unless you know you nailed them and did not second guess
> > yourself.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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