Re: OT: Why do about 4000+ CCIEs of 25,000 CCIE's...

Doesn't Doyle work at Juniper now?

From:
Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>
To:
Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>
Cc:
ccie forum <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Date:
09/04/2009 10:05 AM
Subject:
Re: OT: Why do about 4000+ CCIEs of 25,000 CCIE's...
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I think it would be fairly interesting to hear from former CCIEs that
let their cert expire. I heard that Jeff Doyle did (Cisco Press).

Unfortunately, I think we have about a 0% chance of finding them
reading this post on GS.

:-)

Warmest Regards,

Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
http://www.INE.com

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On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Darby Weaver wrote:

> Anyone care to speculate why 4000+ CCIE's don't think simply taking
> the CCIE
> Written again is worth all the effort they spent to get the CCIE in
> the
> first place and maintain it?
>
> I have to ask the question?
>
> A few CCIE's are asking me now and and a lot of CCIE's have asked me
> overall
> over the last few years - "How to get employed after attaining the
> CCIE?"
>
> Others seem to have an issue getting that raise or advancement.
>
> Is the ROI not there for about 1 in 6 CCIE's?
>
> Now while most of us say we seek the cert for personal reasons....
> and this
> may be true since 5 in 6 are staying certified...
>
> But consider this:
>
> About 6,000 CCIE's and maybe even 9,000 or so are newly certified -
> meaning
> thay have yet to have to recertify or may be in Suspended Mode for not
> certifying in time and have a year to catch up...
>
> so...
>
> Now we have about 4000 or 16000 CCIE's who choose to let their CCIE
> wither
> an die....
>
> I have to ask why those 25% think the CCIE not worth the effort of
> maintaining after such an effort?
>
> Now before we start... I guess a lot of people will chime in
> anonymously...
>
>
> That's great we are on the Internet.
>
> But if a fomer CCIE (verifiable) were to chime in on why he/she did
> not
> think the cert worth maintaining... that would be interesting.
>
>
> Can it be that many are just not finding jobs with the CCIE or just
> plainly
> have not seen the value...
>
> It costs most people at least $10-30k to achieve and 1-3+ years to
> attain...
>
> Not worth spending 3-6 months to prep for the CCIE Written and pay the
> $3xx.00 to maintain the certification?
>
> Why not?
>
> Did all of them just burnout, retire, or just die?
>
> Seems like a high number for all three of those reasons combined.
>
>
> Of course everyone has their own reasons....
>
>
> Just curious...
>
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