Re: OT: Why do about 4000+ CCIEs of 25,000 CCIE's...

No - He started his own company, "Jeff Doyle and Associates" - Google
it.

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Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
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On Sep 4, 2009, at 4:53 PM, <Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com> wrote:

> Doesn't Doyle work at Juniper now?
>
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> From:
> Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>
> To:
> Darby Weaver <darby.weaver_at_gmail.com>
> Cc:
> ccie forum <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Date:
> 09/04/2009 10:05 AM
> Subject:
> Re: OT: Why do about 4000+ CCIEs of 25,000 CCIE's...
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> nobody_at_groupstudy.com
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> I think it would be fairly interesting to hear from former CCIEs that
> let their cert expire. I heard that Jeff Doyle did (Cisco Press).
>
> Unfortunately, I think we have about a 0% chance of finding them
> reading this post on GS.
>
> :-)
>
> Warmest Regards,
>
> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
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> On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Darby Weaver wrote:
>
>> Anyone care to speculate why 4000+ CCIE's don't think simply taking
>> the CCIE
>> Written again is worth all the effort they spent to get the CCIE in
>> the
>> first place and maintain it?
>>
>> I have to ask the question?
>>
>> A few CCIE's are asking me now and and a lot of CCIE's have asked me
>> overall
>> over the last few years - "How to get employed after attaining the
>> CCIE?"
>>
>> Others seem to have an issue getting that raise or advancement.
>>
>> Is the ROI not there for about 1 in 6 CCIE's?
>>
>> Now while most of us say we seek the cert for personal reasons....
>> and this
>> may be true since 5 in 6 are staying certified...
>>
>> But consider this:
>>
>> About 6,000 CCIE's and maybe even 9,000 or so are newly certified -
>> meaning
>> thay have yet to have to recertify or may be in Suspended Mode for
>> not
>> certifying in time and have a year to catch up...
>>
>> so...
>>
>> Now we have about 4000 or 16000 CCIE's who choose to let their CCIE
>> wither
>> an die....
>>
>> I have to ask why those 25% think the CCIE not worth the effort of
>> maintaining after such an effort?
>>
>> Now before we start... I guess a lot of people will chime in
>> anonymously...
>>
>>
>> That's great we are on the Internet.
>>
>> But if a fomer CCIE (verifiable) were to chime in on why he/she did
>> not
>> think the cert worth maintaining... that would be interesting.
>>
>>
>> Can it be that many are just not finding jobs with the CCIE or just
>> plainly
>> have not seen the value...
>>
>> It costs most people at least $10-30k to achieve and 1-3+ years to
>> attain...
>>
>> Not worth spending 3-6 months to prep for the CCIE Written and pay
>> the
>> $3xx.00 to maintain the certification?
>>
>> Why not?
>>
>> Did all of them just burnout, retire, or just die?
>>
>> Seems like a high number for all three of those reasons combined.
>>
>>
>> Of course everyone has their own reasons....
>>
>>
>> Just curious...
>>
>> --
>> Darby Weaver
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>>
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