RE: OT: Why do about 4000+ CCIEs of 25,000 CCIE's...

I know a number of folks who are former-certified. In many cases, they
just have moved into roles that no longer require that technical
knowledge (typically management). So, while they were doing
design/turning wrenches a decade ago when they got the CCIE, it's no
longer their focus, even though they are still in the field.

Of course, I'm sure there are others who change career fields altogether
and decide to herd sheep or something.

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Darby Weaver
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:16 AM
To: Anthony Sequeira
Cc: ccie forum
Subject: Re: OT: Why do about 4000+ CCIEs of 25,000 CCIE's...

Good point Anthony and very wisely said.

I'm engaged in a dialogue about this and maybe it will make it to the
public soon wnough.

I think we have a few examples of this kind of thing from at least a few
former CCIE's.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_ine.com>
wrote:

> I think it would be fairly interesting to hear from former CCIEs that
> let their cert expire. I heard that Jeff Doyle did (Cisco Press).
>
> Unfortunately, I think we have about a 0% chance of finding them
> reading this post on GS.
>
> :-)
>
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>
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> On Sep 4, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Darby Weaver wrote:
>
> Anyone care to speculate why 4000+ CCIE's don't think simply taking
> the
>> CCIE
>> Written again is worth all the effort they spent to get the CCIE in
>> the first place and maintain it?
>>
>> I have to ask the question?
>>
>> A few CCIE's are asking me now and and a lot of CCIE's have asked me
>> overall over the last few years - "How to get employed after
>> attaining the CCIE?"
>>
>> Others seem to have an issue getting that raise or advancement.
>>
>> Is the ROI not there for about 1 in 6 CCIE's?
>>
>> Now while most of us say we seek the cert for personal reasons....
>> and this may be true since 5 in 6 are staying certified...
>>
>> But consider this:
>>
>> About 6,000 CCIE's and maybe even 9,000 or so are newly certified -
>> meaning thay have yet to have to recertify or may be in Suspended
>> Mode for not certifying in time and have a year to catch up...
>>
>> so...
>>
>> Now we have about 4000 or 16000 CCIE's who choose to let their CCIE
>> wither an die....
>>
>> I have to ask why those 25% think the CCIE not worth the effort of
>> maintaining after such an effort?
>>
>> Now before we start... I guess a lot of people will chime in
>> anonymously...
>>
>>
>> That's great we are on the Internet.
>>
>> But if a fomer CCIE (verifiable) were to chime in on why he/she did
>> not think the cert worth maintaining... that would be interesting.
>>
>>
>> Can it be that many are just not finding jobs with the CCIE or just
>> plainly have not seen the value...
>>
>> It costs most people at least $10-30k to achieve and 1-3+ years to
>> attain...
>>
>> Not worth spending 3-6 months to prep for the CCIE Written and pay
>> the $3xx.00 to maintain the certification?
>>
>> Why not?
>>
>> Did all of them just burnout, retire, or just die?
>>
>> Seems like a high number for all three of those reasons combined.
>>
>>
>> Of course everyone has their own reasons....
>>
>>
>> Just curious...
>>
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