Re: OT: Cisco Certified Architect

Logic does not always prevail...

Did you hear the Legend of the Fruit Loops? Ummm... the CCDE?

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:52 PM, <Keegan.Holley_at_sungard.com> wrote:

> Excuse me for stating the obvious but how can one cert possibly cost that
> much? Is this the fee for an attempt at the test? Is this the total cost
> of training an architecht? This is severely lacking in info. Also, can
> you really certify an architecht? I mean constructing a network to meet
> some requirements in a contrived lab scenario is a far cry from designing
> a living brething, logical, sane, revenue generating/preserving network.
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> Re: OT: Cisco Certified Architect
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> Dane Newman
> to:
> Gary Duncanson
> 07/21/09 04:03 PM
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> Cc:
> Travis Niedens, "<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>"
> Please respond to Dane Newman
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> Well see how well the Microsoft arcitect certs did weill be my
> prediction for any cert that costs 15k
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> Dane
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> On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com
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> > I agree with some of this. Have Cisco done their homework on using
> > the Architect moniker? I know 'real' engineers get cross about this
> > sort of thing vis-a-vis MCSE and CNE.
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> > All that said, I work with many IT professionals with the
> > 'Architect' moniker.
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> > It is a Cisco centric thing this I imagine. Funny thing is field
> > environments are mixed, legacy exists and there are sometimes
> > *better* choices than Cisco boxes for lots of reasons. So it's a
> > Cisco Architect rather than a Network Architect qualification. On
> > that note, many CCIE's are unfamilar with CSS (aka Arrowpoint)
> > configuration. I realise this is not an 'Architect' level diversion
> > but loadbalancing happens and app developers with increasing disdain
> > for TCP seem to keep on blaiming networks when their apps fall
> > over. Hopefully it's covered.
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> > Regards
> > Gary
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Niedens"
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> > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 6:13 PM
> > Subject: RE: OT: Cisco Certified Architect
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> >> For me -- 15k for a certification is a killer. Cisco and large
> >> partners more
> >> than likely will be the only ones paying for people to take the test.
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> >> If you take a look at the cost, it is the most costly certification
> >> - at least
> >> that I am aware of. For the cost of this ALONE, without any study
> >> materials
> >> or fancy hardware or travel/lodging, I can pretty much pay for my
> >> Masters in
> >> Information Assurance and Security at Capella University. Keep in
> >> mind, with
> >> a Masters, I can jump to any part of IT and usually higher
> >> positions than you
> >> see on dice / monster for a CCIE / CCDE. Another item to keep in
> >> mind is that
> >> most networks are not 100% Cisco. I would assume the caliber of
> >> person who
> >> "should" get through the CCA will be able to deal with that and in
> >> fact it
> >> would be crazy for Cisco not to include this in the CCA process.
> >> My hope is
> >> that this truly is a Architect test vs. what people have been
> >> calling the CCDE
> >> - the Russ White design test.
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> >> Travis
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