Re: OT: Cisco Certified Architect

Excuse me for stating the obvious but how can one cert possibly cost that
much? Is this the fee for an attempt at the test? Is this the total cost
of training an architecht? This is severely lacking in info. Also, can
you really certify an architecht? I mean constructing a network to meet
some requirements in a contrived lab scenario is a far cry from designing
a living brething, logical, sane, revenue generating/preserving network.

Re: OT: Cisco Certified Architect

Dane Newman
to:
Gary Duncanson
07/21/09 04:03 PM

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Cc:
Travis Niedens, "<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>"
Please respond to Dane Newman

Well see how well the Microsoft arcitect certs did weill be my
prediction for any cert that costs 15k

Dane

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On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com

> wrote:

> I agree with some of this. Have Cisco done their homework on using
> the Architect moniker? I know 'real' engineers get cross about this
> sort of thing vis-a-vis MCSE and CNE.
>
> All that said, I work with many IT professionals with the
> 'Architect' moniker.
>
> It is a Cisco centric thing this I imagine. Funny thing is field
> environments are mixed, legacy exists and there are sometimes
> *better* choices than Cisco boxes for lots of reasons. So it's a
> Cisco Architect rather than a Network Architect qualification. On
> that note, many CCIE's are unfamilar with CSS (aka Arrowpoint)
> configuration. I realise this is not an 'Architect' level diversion
> but loadbalancing happens and app developers with increasing disdain
> for TCP seem to keep on blaiming networks when their apps fall
> over. Hopefully it's covered.
>
> Regards
> Gary
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> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 6:13 PM
> Subject: RE: OT: Cisco Certified Architect
>
>
>> For me -- 15k for a certification is a killer. Cisco and large
>> partners more
>> than likely will be the only ones paying for people to take the test.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you take a look at the cost, it is the most costly certification
>> - at least
>> that I am aware of. For the cost of this ALONE, without any study
>> materials
>> or fancy hardware or travel/lodging, I can pretty much pay for my
>> Masters in
>> Information Assurance and Security at Capella University. Keep in
>> mind, with
>> a Masters, I can jump to any part of IT and usually higher
>> positions than you
>> see on dice / monster for a CCIE / CCDE. Another item to keep in
>> mind is that
>> most networks are not 100% Cisco. I would assume the caliber of
>> person who
>> "should" get through the CCA will be able to deal with that and in
>> fact it
>> would be crazy for Cisco not to include this in the CCA process.
>> My hope is
>> that this truly is a Architect test vs. what people have been
>> calling the CCDE
>> - the Russ White design test.
>>
>>
>>
>> Travis
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