Re: OT: Cisco Certified Architect

True enough. Many decent sized 1+ Billion in revenue companies have staff
that are largely not even CCNA yet. And either survive with Smartnet, a
Cisco Gold Partner, or CCxP level professionals. Some augment where
required for Project-based work, etc.

A long way from every company of with more than 500+ Cisco Routers, Switches
and 2+ Data Centers having more than one CCIE on staff just yet.

Now most of those same companies have 1+ MCSE's on staff and some not even
in Server/Data Center roles.

The CCIE is a long way from a saturation point in the real world.

At least from my angle.

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Gary Duncanson <
gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com> wrote:

> This is for Cisco and Uber Partners I think. Out in the *real world* where
> most of the boxes are bought and where training is zero i.e, the
> medium/small companies where most people are employed and the IT department
> is still encouraging staff to make CCNA, they still think cabling happens in
> the CCIE lab and numbers are a few thousand.
>
> Seriously though.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Newman" <dane.newman_at_gmail.com>
> To: "Gary Duncanson" <gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com>
> Cc: "Travis Niedens" <niedentj_at_hotmail.com>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2009 8:58 PM
> Subject: Re: OT: Cisco Certified Architect
>
>
> Well see how well the Microsoft arcitect certs did weill be my
> prediction for any cert that costs 15k
>
> Dane
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 21, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Gary Duncanson <gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com
> > wrote:
>
> I agree with some of this. Have Cisco done their homework on using the
>> Architect moniker? I know 'real' engineers get cross about this sort of
>> thing vis-a-vis MCSE and CNE.
>>
>> All that said, I work with many IT professionals with the 'Architect'
>> moniker.
>>
>> It is a Cisco centric thing this I imagine. Funny thing is field
>> environments are mixed, legacy exists and there are sometimes *better*
>> choices than Cisco boxes for lots of reasons. So it's a Cisco Architect
>> rather than a Network Architect qualification. On that note, many CCIE's
>> are unfamilar with CSS (aka Arrowpoint) configuration. I realise this is
>> not an 'Architect' level diversion but loadbalancing happens and app
>> developers with increasing disdain for TCP seem to keep on blaiming
>> networks when their apps fall over. Hopefully it's covered.
>>
>> Regards
>> Gary
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Niedens" <niedentj_at_hotmail.com
>> >
>> To: <rwest_at_zyedge.com>; <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> >
>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 6:13 PM
>> Subject: RE: OT: Cisco Certified Architect
>>
>>
>> For me -- 15k for a certification is a killer. Cisco and large partners
>>> more
>>> than likely will be the only ones paying for people to take the test.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you take a look at the cost, it is the most costly certification - at
>>> least
>>> that I am aware of. For the cost of this ALONE, without any study
>>> materials
>>> or fancy hardware or travel/lodging, I can pretty much pay for my Masters
>>> in
>>> Information Assurance and Security at Capella University. Keep in mind,
>>> with
>>> a Masters, I can jump to any part of IT and usually higher positions
>>> than you
>>> see on dice / monster for a CCIE / CCDE. Another item to keep in mind
>>> is that
>>> most networks are not 100% Cisco. I would assume the caliber of person
>>> who
>>> "should" get through the CCA will be able to deal with that and in fact
>>> it
>>> would be crazy for Cisco not to include this in the CCA process. My
>>> hope is
>>> that this truly is a Architect test vs. what people have been calling
>>> the CCDE
>>> - the Russ White design test.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Travis
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