Re: OT: Re: The State of the CCIE Training Industry

I still think you have a jaded and off-kilt view of the world, but
that's just my opinion, and clearly doesn't matter.

I'm not sure why you'd think (previous e-mail) I'd split off
independently or what the world would gain by that. I'm not sure why
you'd think it had not entered my mind before, or even become
interesting with financial backers. But my reasons, or other people's
reasons to do whatever they want really aren't your business or the
general public's business unless someone wants them to be.

That I think is the part that I find the strangest about all of this.
You come in and stir up a lot, shake things (then leave for a while).
You take quotes/concepts out of context from different conversations,
presuming that you were the only one present or aware of anything else
shaking internally with the 'program', and it all stems down to whether
things revolve around you or not.

It took me a while to figure that one out, more than likely because I
was thinking that wasn't possible.

If there are disenfranchised instructors out there... So what? Let
them do whatever they feel like doing. The market will adjust itself.

If there are some employers seeking to entice others away... So be it.
That is the gist of a business market, is it not?

If Cisco wants to pay us all gobs of money to go away so they can have
the market all to themselves, so be it. (That would be lots of fun)

But the bottom line is fretting, predicting, panicking or otherwise
inducing mayhem is not necessary.

Rather than playing "Who Wants to be a Psychic?" and pretending enough
details that statistically you'll be accurate much of the time, why not
give specifics. Then you can either be right or wrong. Granted, many of
those may break an NDA along the way if you're dealing with insider
information, but that induces much less mayhem then making things up and
skirting the issue.

We MAY or MAY NOT have a nuclear missle buried in your back yard Mr.
President. You decide.

Darby Weaver wrote:
> Well I guess I could tag the quotes from each respective person whose words
> or summaries I am using to make the effect a little more "believable" since
> you would then know the precise source.
>
> I guess it does sound like I have little faith in the industry. Hmm...
>
> Actually I see this is a prime time for the right players to turn things
> around for a shift in the current structure.
>
> Here's the skinny:
>
> 1. Some employers are always seeking to entice other employees in a
> competitive market - it happens, so what.
>
> 2. I think Cisco CCIE 360 is having some growing pains and is seeking
> credibility any way possible and to quote "all the 3x and 4x CCIE's are
> already taken by IE and IPExpert"... is just one example. Others might be
> if key instructors from the program who feel disenfranchised decide to
> either go solo or get out of the game entriely due to the lack of profits -
> how many people are seeking mentoring for example? How many people are
> using/buying the mock graded lab packages?
>
> 3. I think the quote about IE not being as active with CCIE 2.0 is
> indicative of something - I see a pattern - 2.0 Audio?, Up to lab 8 video on
> demand for the 20 lab workbooks, etc.
>
> 4. I look at vendors who promise to release and instead we see "vaporware"
> but the promise is there and may be genuine but instead we see a lack of
> actual substance.
>
> 5. I do see vendors like IPExpert who has a full product, is innovative, and
> leading the pack - nice 3845's in their state of the art racks, new
> materials up to date and on time, ahead of the curve, etc.
>
> 6. I see the Cisco CCIE 360 Program as needing to establish a standard -
> right now they are growing by acquisition but instructors and companies may
> or may not offer the same 360 Program? How's that work for consistency?
>
> Is this concise enough?
>
>
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Received on Sat Jul 11 2009 - 16:56:27 ART