Re: OT: Re: The State of the CCIE Training Industry

Best rebuttale I have ever seen!!!! Back to the labs :)

On 7/11/09, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
> I still think you have a jaded and off-kilt view of the world, but
> that's just my opinion, and clearly doesn't matter.
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> I'm not sure why you'd think (previous e-mail) I'd split off
> independently or what the world would gain by that. I'm not sure why
> you'd think it had not entered my mind before, or even become
> interesting with financial backers. But my reasons, or other people's
> reasons to do whatever they want really aren't your business or the
> general public's business unless someone wants them to be.
>
> That I think is the part that I find the strangest about all of this.
> You come in and stir up a lot, shake things (then leave for a while).
> You take quotes/concepts out of context from different conversations,
> presuming that you were the only one present or aware of anything else
> shaking internally with the 'program', and it all stems down to whether
> things revolve around you or not.
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> It took me a while to figure that one out, more than likely because I
> was thinking that wasn't possible.
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> If there are disenfranchised instructors out there... So what? Let
> them do whatever they feel like doing. The market will adjust itself.
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> If there are some employers seeking to entice others away... So be it.
> That is the gist of a business market, is it not?
>
> If Cisco wants to pay us all gobs of money to go away so they can have
> the market all to themselves, so be it. (That would be lots of fun)
>
> But the bottom line is fretting, predicting, panicking or otherwise
> inducing mayhem is not necessary.
>
> Rather than playing "Who Wants to be a Psychic?" and pretending enough
> details that statistically you'll be accurate much of the time, why not
> give specifics. Then you can either be right or wrong. Granted, many of
> those may break an NDA along the way if you're dealing with insider
> information, but that induces much less mayhem then making things up and
> skirting the issue.
>
> We MAY or MAY NOT have a nuclear missle buried in your back yard Mr.
> President. You decide.
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> Darby Weaver wrote:
>> Well I guess I could tag the quotes from each respective person whose
>> words
>> or summaries I am using to make the effect a little more "believable"
>> since
>> you would then know the precise source.
>>
>> I guess it does sound like I have little faith in the industry. Hmm...
>>
>> Actually I see this is a prime time for the right players to turn things
>> around for a shift in the current structure.
>>
>> Here's the skinny:
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>> 1. Some employers are always seeking to entice other employees in a
>> competitive market - it happens, so what.
>>
>> 2. I think Cisco CCIE 360 is having some growing pains and is seeking
>> credibility any way possible and to quote "all the 3x and 4x CCIE's are
>> already taken by IE and IPExpert"... is just one example. Others might
>> be
>> if key instructors from the program who feel disenfranchised decide to
>> either go solo or get out of the game entriely due to the lack of profits
>> -
>> how many people are seeking mentoring for example? How many people are
>> using/buying the mock graded lab packages?
>>
>> 3. I think the quote about IE not being as active with CCIE 2.0 is
>> indicative of something - I see a pattern - 2.0 Audio?, Up to lab 8 video
>> on
>> demand for the 20 lab workbooks, etc.
>>
>> 4. I look at vendors who promise to release and instead we see "vaporware"
>> but the promise is there and may be genuine but instead we see a lack of
>> actual substance.
>>
>> 5. I do see vendors like IPExpert who has a full product, is innovative,
>> and
>> leading the pack - nice 3845's in their state of the art racks, new
>> materials up to date and on time, ahead of the curve, etc.
>>
>> 6. I see the Cisco CCIE 360 Program as needing to establish a standard -
>> right now they are growing by acquisition but instructors and companies
>> may
>> or may not offer the same 360 Program? How's that work for consistency?
>>
>> Is this concise enough?
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