Re: OEQ - Scope ??

Hmm..

No Steve was quite vocal about whom the OEQ's were meant to discriminate
against.

1. The 90% or better pass rate of CCIE's in China (whom it appears some were
only 18) and could hardly read or speak English.

2. The same Chinese in the example - failed like everyone else when new
exams were introduced.

3. Those same Chinese Candidates who resumed 90%+ passing rates about 1 week
after that new lab was introduced.

Apparently China was not the only country, but it was the biggest offender.
I think the situation was attributed to the collective culture and the
absolute necessity to pass an exam. Failure is not an option. Pass by any
means necessary.

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Gary Duncanson <
gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com> wrote:

> I do wonder if it's to discriminate against folks who dump the written
> quite frankly. So now we have 4 tests to pass instead of 2. Written. OEQ.
> Lab. Troubleshooting.
>
> That said, with a hard earned written under your belt with plenty of
> reading the OEQ's should be fine.
>
> Regards
> Gary
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darby Weaver" <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
> To: "Ravi Singh" <way2ccie_at_googlemail.com>
> Cc: <smorris_at_ine.com>; "Cisco certification" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>;
> "Anthony Sequeira" <asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:50 AM
> Subject: Re: OEQ - Scope ??
>
>
> Ravi,
>>
>> Let me help you a bit. In the CCIE TECCCIE-3004 Techtorial, given by
>> Steve
>> Barnes, about 30-40 OEQ's were shared with the attendees rather quickly
>> and
>> only a couple of the entire bunch seemed to stump the whole group. I
>> think
>> I changed my mind on like one of them and missed one or two others at
>> first
>> glance. After a while he was moving pretty quickly and I was taking notes
>> of the OEQ's.
>>
>> Let's see - if I could sum them all up in a few words:
>>
>> They seem to be derivatives of items that might be found in the CCIE
>> Written
>> Book by Cisco Press overall.
>>
>> They are mostly fair questions. Not that you'll find most of them in any
>> test bank anywhere.
>>
>> They are probably more "experience" and "observation" of any given
>> protocol
>> more than anything else - by this I mean if you have been configuring
>> protocols while preparing for the CCIE Lab then you probably stumbled on
>> OEQ's the entire time if you ever asked yourself questions like "Why does
>> it
>> work this way", "When does this happen", what are some attributes of this
>> or
>> that feature or command, etc.
>>
>> The essence of the OEQ is simple: Discrimination.
>>
>> The OEQ's were called a "Discriminator".
>>
>> The idea is to discriminate against those people who score say 100% on
>> Frame
>> Relay over OSPF and use the Priority 0 command and can configure it
>> perfectly and yet when asked a question about this scenario have not the
>> first idea on why a person might even use the priority command - for
>> example.
>>
>>
>> So a well-qualified candiate would do well and gain an easy 21 points. A
>> paper tiger will lose those same 21 points and thus fail the lab.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Ravi Singh <way2ccie_at_googlemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Scott and Anthony for increasing my worry levels ;-) .. Just
>>> Kidding.. Thank you guys ..I was misinterpreting Core Knowledge as Core
>>> Technology Topics on the exam...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Ravi
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > According to the CCIE team, the scope is "any topic on the lab
>>> > blueprint". That certainly leaves a lot to the imagination. >
>>> Especially
>>> > given how vague the blueprint can be!
>>> >
>>> > I can tell you they will NOT ask about token ring or ATM. :) Beyond
>>> that,
>>> > follow the blueprint!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > *Scott Morris*, CCIE*x4* (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) >
>>> #4713,
>>> >
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>>> >
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Ravi Singh wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hello everyone,
>>> >
>>> > I am not sure if this has been discussed before, apologies if it has
>>> been,
>>> > but what all, as per you, can be classifed as "Core Knowledge" for the
>>> > OEQs. Is it just the routing protocols, WAN and switching or is it the
>>> > entire blueprint ..Considering the scope of the OEQs , what all areas
>>> should
>>> > be stressed upon and what can be ignored(only from the perspective of >
>>> the
>>> > OEQs) ..
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for all the incoming inputs
>>> >
>>> > Ravi
>>> >
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