Re: OEQ - Scope ??

True enough this could happen. Many attendees were stumped by say 50-60% of
the questions. At least 2-3 of us seemed to know the majority of answers.

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Larry Hadrava <larryh_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:

> I think it boils down to knowing the technologies and how they interact
> with each other. This is one of the keys to passing the lab. The lab is a
> series of tasks that are put together in such a manner that there will be
> some items that if the candidate does not understand the total of
technology
> A with technology B there will be a problem.
>
> So I can see from one standpoint how the OeQ's could be considered a wayto
> weed out those that might be able to memorize commands to meet a
requirement
> with out really understanding the underlying technology fully.
>
> For instance, if you did not understand about OSPF fully but memorized how
> to get the loopback to show up as a /32 in the routing table, you could
meet
> the requirement of the lab section. If asked to explain why this happens in
> an question that candidate would probably have a problem.
>
> Thanks
> Larry Hadrava
> CCIE #12203 CCNP
> Sr. Support Engineer  IPexpert, Inc.
> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com <http://www.ipexpert.com/>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Gary Duncanson <
> gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> I do wonder if it's to discriminate against folks who dump the written
>> quite frankly. So now we have 4 tests to pass instead of 2. Written. OEQ.
>> Lab. Troubleshooting.
>>
>> That said, with a hard earned written under your belt with plenty of
>> reading the OEQ's should be fine.
>>
>> Regards
>> Gary
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darby Weaver" <ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com>
>> To: "Ravi Singh" <way2ccie_at_googlemail.com>
>> Cc: <smorris_at_ine.com>; "Cisco certification" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>;
>> "Anthony Sequeira" <asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com>
>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2009 3:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: OEQ - Scope ??
>>
>>
>> Ravi,
>>>
>>> Let me help you a bit. In the CCIE TECCCIE-3004 Techtorial, given by
>>> Steve
>>> Barnes, about 30-40 OEQ's were shared with the attendees rather quickly
>>> and
>>> only a couple of the entire bunch seemed to stump the whole group. I
>>> think
>>> I changed my mind on like one of them and missed one or two others at
>>> first
>>> glance. After a while he was moving pretty quickly and I was taking
>>> notes
>>> of the OEQ's.
>>>
>>> Let's see - if I could sum them all up in a few words:
>>>
>>> They seem to be derivatives of items that might be found in the CCIE
>>> Written
>>> Book by Cisco Press overall.
>>>
>>> They are mostly fair questions. Not that you'll find most of them in any
>>> test bank anywhere.
>>>
>>> They are probably more "experience" and "observation" of any given
>>> protocol
>>> more than anything else - by this I mean if you have been configuring
>>> protocols while preparing for the CCIE Lab then you probably stumbled on
>>> OEQ's the entire time if you ever asked yourself questions like "Why does
>>> it
>>> work this way", "When does this happen", what are some attributes of this
>>> or
>>> that feature or command, etc.
>>>
>>> The essence of the OEQ is simple: Discrimination.
>>>
>>> The OEQ's were called a "Discriminator".
>>>
>>> The idea is to discriminate against those people who score say 100% on
>>> Frame
>>> Relay over OSPF and use the Priority 0 command and can configure it
>>> perfectly and yet when asked a question about this scenario have not the
>>> first idea on why a person might even use the priority command - for
>>> example.
>>>
>>>
>>> So a well-qualified candiate would do well and gain an easy 21 points. A
>>> paper tiger will lose those same 21 points and thus fail the lab.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Ravi Singh <way2ccie_at_googlemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Scott and Anthony for increasing my worry levels ;-) .. Just
>>>> Kidding.. Thank you guys ..I was misinterpreting Core Knowledge as Core
>>>> Technology Topics on the exam...
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ravi
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Scott Morris <smorris_at_ine.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > According to the CCIE team, the scope is "any topic on the lab
>>>> > blueprint". That certainly leaves a lot to the imagination. >
>>>> Especially
>>>> > given how vague the blueprint can be!
>>>> >
>>>> > I can tell you they will NOT ask about token ring or ATM. :) Beyond
>>>> that,
>>>> > follow the blueprint!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > *Scott Morris*, CCIE*x4* (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) >
>>>> #4713,
>>>> >
>>>> > JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>>>> >
>>>> > JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
>>>> >
>>>> > evil_at_ine.com
>>>> >
>>>> >
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>>>> >
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>>>> >
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>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Ravi Singh wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Hello everyone,
>>>> >
>>>> > I am not sure if this has been discussed before, apologies if it has
>>>> been,
>>>> > but what all, as per you, can be classifed as "Core Knowledge" for the
>>>> > OEQs. Is it just the routing protocols, WAN and switching or is it
>>>> the
>>>> > entire blueprint ..Considering the scope of the OEQs , what all areas
>>>> should
>>>> > be stressed upon and what can be ignored(only from the perspective of
>>>> > the
>>>> > OEQs) ..
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks for all the incoming inputs
>>>> >
>>>> > Ravi
>>>> >
>>>> >
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