Re: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking

Experience is overrated? Funny 'cause Chesapeake asks for 10 years
experience minimal on their Principal Engineering opening (which also
requires BS degree and a CCIE)... go figure.
I mean I am no caveman from the 8" disk era (just teasing you guys), but I
think experience is highly valuable, and I would value experience over any
certification from any vendor, just like somebody mentioned before, I know a
lot of people that do not have ANY certification and that I'd hire or lookup
for directions rather than a 7xCCIE/JNCIE that grew up on 'mips and
olives...

...and before the rocks start clogging my inbox, hey, that's just me and the
way I think.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Luan Nguyen <luan_at_netcraftsmen.net> wrote:

> Sigh. Don't mind me...I am just talking like Joseph :)
> Where I am, CCIE still, like you said commands respect, and it's really
> hard
> to find one - let alone a qualified one.
> Even with the CCDE and CCA, there are nothing more special about them than
> CCIE. One could read a bunch of books and RFCs and could very well pass
> both. So it might be easier than CCIE, and require a lot less time...more
> time with our kids!
> I always believe experience is somewhat overrated...if you don't make an
> effort of better yourself, then even with 10 years + working in an office
> somewhere, you would still have an ID of 10T.
> CCIE is definitely very nice to have now and well in the future. If not, I
> wouldn't be trying to get 4,5 of them now would I? :)
>
> Regards,
>
> -------------------------------------
> Luan Nguyen
> Chesapeake NetCraftsmen, LLC.
> [Web] http://www.netcraftsmen.net
> -------------------------------------
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:48 PM
> To: Luan Nguyen
> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
> Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
>
> Luan,
>
> There are a lot of CCIE's out there that's for sure, but if they really are
> a dime a dozen then we should all just pack it in and do something much
> more
>
> worthwhile like stop buying workbooks and spend more time with our kids. I
> can only speak for my neck of the woods but the CCIE still commands respect
> and no increase in numbers has devalued it. It's also more than enough to
> work towards for just about anyone particularly if their plate is already
> full at work and at home. The certificate has matured and it's often seen
> as a nice to have with 10 years experience these days. I still think the
> CCIE is ligit even if you haven't got that experience. Still an
> accomplishment. I recall a luminary on this list in late 2007 saying we
> would be 30000 by end of 2008. It hasn't happened.
>
> Regards
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Luan Nguyen" <luan_at_netcraftsmen.net>
> To: "'Joe Astorino'" <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>; "'Gary Duncanson'"
> <gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com>
> Cc: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:56 PM
> Subject: RE: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
> Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
>
>
> > CCIEs are a dime a dozen. Really.
> > So I think it's a great idea to have this CCA cert. Make it legit. Give
> > people something to work toward.
> > IMHO, the jump from CCDE to CCA is not that hard. I am sure all 7 of
> > those
> > current CCDE guys once applied should be able to get it easy.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -----------------------------------
> > Luan Nguyen
> > Chesapeake NetCraftsmen, LLC.
> > [Web] http://www.netcraftsmen.net
> > -----------------------------------
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Joe
> > Astorino
> > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:40 PM
> > To: 'Gary Duncanson'
> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
> > Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
> >
> > Yeah really...I don't want to sound too upset here, but I feel like I
> just
> > got kicked in the balls. How do the rest of you CCIEs out there feel
> > about
> > this announcement, since in my opinion we have all essentially been
> > demoted?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Joe Astorino
> > CCIE #24347 (R&S)
> > Sr. Support Engineer - IPexpert, Inc.
> > URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:38 PM
> > To: Joe Astorino
> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
> > Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
> >
> > I give up too. I'm just way too busy working as a Network Designer to
> keep
> > up with all that stuff!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Astorino" <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
> > To: "'Mike Kraus (mikraus)'" <mikraus_at_cisco.com>; <
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:28 PM
> > Subject: RE: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
> > Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
> >
> >
> >>I give up...
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Joe Astorino
> >> CCIE #24347 (R&S)
> >> Sr. Support Engineer - IPexpert, Inc.
> >> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> >> Mike
> >> Kraus (mikraus)
> >> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:16 AM
> >> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >> Subject: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
> >> Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
> >>
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