Re: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking

Yes experience is a variable. That's where certification comes in, enriching
the experience (hopefully) by providing hightened awareness and knowledge
of the capabilities and deficiencies of technologies. Helps to put it all
into context leading to better decisions in the field. Of course that's a
variable too. You have to study hard and patiently!

Regards
Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: "Luan Nguyen" <luan_at_netcraftsmen.net>
To: "'Gary Duncanson'" <gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com>
Cc: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:02 AM
Subject: RE: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
Certification: Cisco Certified Architect

> Sigh. Don't mind me...I am just talking like Joseph :)
> Where I am, CCIE still, like you said commands respect, and it's really
> hard
> to find one - let alone a qualified one.
> Even with the CCDE and CCA, there are nothing more special about them than
> CCIE. One could read a bunch of books and RFCs and could very well pass
> both. So it might be easier than CCIE, and require a lot less time...more
> time with our kids!
> I always believe experience is somewhat overrated...if you don't make an
> effort of better yourself, then even with 10 years + working in an office
> somewhere, you would still have an ID of 10T.
> CCIE is definitely very nice to have now and well in the future. If not,
> I
> wouldn't be trying to get 4,5 of them now would I? :)
>
> Regards,
>
> -------------------------------------
> Luan Nguyen
> Chesapeake NetCraftsmen, LLC.
> [Web] http://www.netcraftsmen.net
> -------------------------------------
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:48 PM
> To: Luan Nguyen
> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
> Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
>
> Luan,
>
> There are a lot of CCIE's out there that's for sure, but if they really
> are
> a dime a dozen then we should all just pack it in and do something much
> more
>
> worthwhile like stop buying workbooks and spend more time with our kids. I
> can only speak for my neck of the woods but the CCIE still commands
> respect
> and no increase in numbers has devalued it. It's also more than enough to
> work towards for just about anyone particularly if their plate is already
> full at work and at home. The certificate has matured and it's often seen
> as a nice to have with 10 years experience these days. I still think the
> CCIE is ligit even if you haven't got that experience. Still an
> accomplishment. I recall a luminary on this list in late 2007 saying we
> would be 30000 by end of 2008. It hasn't happened.
>
> Regards
> Gary
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Luan Nguyen" <luan_at_netcraftsmen.net>
> To: "'Joe Astorino'" <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>; "'Gary Duncanson'"
> <gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com>
> Cc: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:56 PM
> Subject: RE: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
> Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
>
>
>> CCIEs are a dime a dozen. Really.
>> So I think it's a great idea to have this CCA cert. Make it legit. Give
>> people something to work toward.
>> IMHO, the jump from CCDE to CCA is not that hard. I am sure all 7 of
>> those
>> current CCDE guys once applied should be able to get it easy.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -----------------------------------
>> Luan Nguyen
>> Chesapeake NetCraftsmen, LLC.
>> [Web] http://www.netcraftsmen.net
>> -----------------------------------
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Joe
>> Astorino
>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:40 PM
>> To: 'Gary Duncanson'
>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: RE: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
>> Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
>>
>> Yeah really...I don't want to sound too upset here, but I feel like I
>> just
>> got kicked in the balls. How do the rest of you CCIEs out there feel
>> about
>> this announcement, since in my opinion we have all essentially been
>> demoted?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Joe Astorino
>> CCIE #24347 (R&S)
>> Sr. Support Engineer - IPexpert, Inc.
>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:38 PM
>> To: Joe Astorino
>> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> Subject: Re: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
>> Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
>>
>> I give up too. I'm just way too busy working as a Network Designer to
>> keep
>> up with all that stuff!
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Joe Astorino" <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
>> To: "'Mike Kraus (mikraus)'" <mikraus_at_cisco.com>;
>> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:28 PM
>> Subject: RE: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
>> Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
>>
>>
>>>I give up...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Joe Astorino
>>> CCIE #24347 (R&S)
>>> Sr. Support Engineer - IPexpert, Inc.
>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>> Mike
>>> Kraus (mikraus)
>>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:16 AM
>>> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>> Subject: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
>>> Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
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