RE: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking

Scott I couldn't agree with you more.

Another thing to add, they haven't Added another level on top of Expert Certification they have merely added another Cert path altogether.

I for one am very interested in going the CCDE route and then going for the CCA.

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Scott Morris
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 7:30 PM
To: Joe Astorino
Cc: 'Gary Duncanson'; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking Certification: Cisco Certified Architect

Does it make you any less of an expert?

One of the interesting things that the CCIE taught me (each of them
actually), is that there's a lot of stuff I don't know. Sometimes the
impact was more immediate than others (e.g. if I happened to have
failed!) but either way, you should begin to appreciate the scope of
what you know and realize how much out there that you don't know.

With that perspective in mind, what's wrong with entertaining the idea
that the CCIE may or may not be the top of the pile? As long as the
standards are kept high, then I think it's an interesting evolution.
You should already be asking yourself 'What's next?'.

So whether it's multiple CCIEs... Whether it's other vendor
certifications... Whether it's a design expert... Whether it's this new
architect. We now have more possibilities than we did before.

Shouldn't our goal be to be the coolest folks on the planet? Hopefully
the standards are high enough that uncool people don't get to be cool
(lack of a better phrase!) but it's merely a path available! Should
be fun!

Nobody called you an Associate Expert though. Don't feel bad. Now when
Cisco first came out with the career certs, I fully understand the
demotion... I had passed a test called the Cisco Design Specialist.
And was promised a T-shirt and cert. About 5-6 months later, I got a
letter saying I was now a Cisco Certified Design Associate. Now, I
don't know about you, but in my mind, an Associate was not nearly as
cool as a Specialist. :) THAT was a change. The CCIE is not being
removed, replaced or otherwise renamed and demoted. We merely have
another level added to demonstrate knowledge and qualifications above
and beyond.

My two cents.

*Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,

JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.

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Joe Astorino wrote:
> Yeah really...I don't want to sound too upset here, but I feel like I just
> got kicked in the balls. How do the rest of you CCIEs out there feel about
> this announcement, since in my opinion we have all essentially been demoted?
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe Astorino
> CCIE #24347 (R&S)
> Sr. Support Engineer - IPexpert, Inc.
> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:38 PM
> To: Joe Astorino
> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
> Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
>
> I give up too. I'm just way too busy working as a Network Designer to keep
> up with all that stuff!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Astorino" <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
> To: "'Mike Kraus (mikraus)'" <mikraus_at_cisco.com>; <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:28 PM
> Subject: RE: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
> Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
>
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>> I give up...
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>> Regards,
>>
>> Joe Astorino
>> CCIE #24347 (R&S)
>> Sr. Support Engineer - IPexpert, Inc.
>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
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>> Subject: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
>> Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
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