Fwd: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking

 I think cisco is degrading the CCIE program, its really hard to absorb that
CCIEs are less demanded in this slow economy now. I got a mail from a
recently certified CCIE that he applied 100s of jobs but still hard to get
one interview.

But I am still not demotivated, because it is on my journey towards CCIE i
learned the real networking. Now even without CCIE I am satisified in my
day-to-day operations at work because of my understanding the technology
from the root.

Cisco is puting additional ladders for the techies and lets wait and see how
many of us can reach there..And finally "Survival of the fittest" will apply
here.

Warm Regards
Thameem

  On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:32 AM, Persio Pucci <persio_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Experience is overrated? Funny 'cause Chesapeake asks for 10 years
> experience minimal on their Principal Engineering opening (which also
> requires BS degree and a CCIE)... go figure.
> I mean I am no caveman from the 8" disk era (just teasing you guys), but I
> think experience is highly valuable, and I would value experience over any
> certification from any vendor, just like somebody mentioned before, I know
> a
> lot of people that do not have ANY certification and that I'd hire or
> lookup
> for directions rather than a 7xCCIE/JNCIE that grew up on 'mips and
> olives...
>
> ...and before the rocks start clogging my inbox, hey, that's just me and
> the
> way I think.
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Luan Nguyen <luan_at_netcraftsmen.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Sigh. Don't mind me...I am just talking like Joseph :)
> > Where I am, CCIE still, like you said commands respect, and it's really
> > hard
> > to find one - let alone a qualified one.
> > Even with the CCDE and CCA, there are nothing more special about them
> than
> > CCIE. One could read a bunch of books and RFCs and could very well pass
> > both. So it might be easier than CCIE, and require a lot less
> time...more
> > time with our kids!
> > I always believe experience is somewhat overrated...if you don't make an
> > effort of better yourself, then even with 10 years + working in an office
> > somewhere, you would still have an ID of 10T.
> > CCIE is definitely very nice to have now and well in the future. If not,
> I
> > wouldn't be trying to get 4,5 of them now would I? :)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > -------------------------------------
> > Luan Nguyen
> > Chesapeake NetCraftsmen, LLC.
> > [Web] http://www.netcraftsmen.net
> > -------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:48 PM
> > To: Luan Nguyen
> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
> > Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
> >
> > Luan,
> >
> > There are a lot of CCIE's out there that's for sure, but if they really
> are
> > a dime a dozen then we should all just pack it in and do something much
> > more
> >
> > worthwhile like stop buying workbooks and spend more time with our kids.
> I
> > can only speak for my neck of the woods but the CCIE still commands
> respect
> > and no increase in numbers has devalued it. It's also more than enough to
> > work towards for just about anyone particularly if their plate is already
> > full at work and at home. The certificate has matured and it's often
> seen
> > as a nice to have with 10 years experience these days. I still think the
> > CCIE is ligit even if you haven't got that experience. Still an
> > accomplishment. I recall a luminary on this list in late 2007 saying we
> > would be 30000 by end of 2008. It hasn't happened.
> >
> > Regards
> > Gary
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Luan Nguyen" <luan_at_netcraftsmen.net>
> > To: "'Joe Astorino'" <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>; "'Gary Duncanson'"
> > <gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com>
> > Cc: <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:56 PM
> > Subject: RE: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
> > Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
> >
> >
> > > CCIEs are a dime a dozen. Really.
> > > So I think it's a great idea to have this CCA cert. Make it legit.
> Give
> > > people something to work toward.
> > > IMHO, the jump from CCDE to CCA is not that hard. I am sure all 7 of
> > > those
> > > current CCDE guys once applied should be able to get it easy.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------
> > > Luan Nguyen
> > > Chesapeake NetCraftsmen, LLC.
> > > [Web] http://www.netcraftsmen.net
> > > -----------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Joe
> > > Astorino
> > > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:40 PM
> > > To: 'Gary Duncanson'
> > > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: RE: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
> > > Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
> > >
> > > Yeah really...I don't want to sound too upset here, but I feel like I
> > just
> > > got kicked in the balls. How do the rest of you CCIEs out there feel
> > > about
> > > this announcement, since in my opinion we have all essentially been
> > > demoted?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Joe Astorino
> > > CCIE #24347 (R&S)
> > > Sr. Support Engineer - IPexpert, Inc.
> > > URL: http://www.IPexpert.com <http://www.ipexpert.com/>
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gary Duncanson [mailto:gary.duncanson_at_googlemail.com]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 12:38 PM
> > > To: Joe Astorino
> > > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
> > > Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
> > >
> > > I give up too. I'm just way too busy working as a Network Designer to
> > keep
> > > up with all that stuff!
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joe Astorino" <jastorino_at_ipexpert.com>
> > > To: "'Mike Kraus (mikraus)'" <mikraus_at_cisco.com>; <
> > ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:28 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
> > > Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
> > >
> > >
> > >>I give up...
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Joe Astorino
> > >> CCIE #24347 (R&S)
> > >> Sr. Support Engineer - IPexpert, Inc.
> > >> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com <http://www.ipexpert.com/>
> > >>
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> Of
> > >> Mike
> > >> Kraus (mikraus)
> > >> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 11:16 AM
> > >> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > >> Subject: Cisco Raises the Bar with Highest-Level IT Networking
> > >> Certification: Cisco Certified Architect
> > >>
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