Re: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line

has anyone seen Darby lately?

I haven't seen his posts for a while!

-frog

On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Radioactive Frog <pbhatkoti_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> haha..........Darby! comon put your comments here..
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> On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:08 AM, <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com> wrote:
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>> I did it to spin him up. He'd of replied already but he's typing a long
>> response....
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>> Charles
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>> From: Shaughn Smith <Shaughn.Smith_at_mtnbusiness.co.za>
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>> To: "'Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com'" <Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com>,
>> 'Grant Stevenson' <Grant.Stevenson_at_btinet.bt.com>
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>> Cc: 'Cisco certification' <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>, "'
>> nobody_at_groupstudy.com'" <nobody_at_groupstudy.com>,
>> "'ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com'" <ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com>, 'Ryan
>> West' <rwest_at_zyedge.com>
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>> Date: 06/05/2009 10:07 AM
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>> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
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>> " Now, there are other forums....."
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>> Oh oh, now you have done it. Darby is on they way ;)
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com [mailto:Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com]
>> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 5:04 PM
>> To: Grant Stevenson
>> Cc: Cisco certification; nobody_at_groupstudy.com; ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com;
>> Ryan West; Shaughn Smith
>> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
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>> But he has a point. Aren't most of us closer to sociopaths than the norm?
>> Or is that just during studies prior to the lab?
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>> Seriously though, I've been watching this forum a lot and I dig thru the
>> archive a lot and I rarely see things that make me question if someone is
>> pushing the envelope and I'm not even certified (yet). Usually it's "why
>> does X make Y do this?" or "On vendor X lab 453 section 22.4 bullet 58 why
>> does the tunnel cause recursive routing for my lonely RIPv2 subnet?" So I
>> think most folks generally see the line and understand not to cross it.
>> Now, there are other forums.....
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>> Charles
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>> From: "Grant Stevenson" <Grant.Stevenson_at_btinet.bt.com>
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>> To: "Shaughn Smith" <Shaughn.Smith_at_mtnbusiness.co.za>, "Ryan
>> West" <rwest_at_zyedge.com>, <ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com>,
>> "Cisco certification" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
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>> Date: 06/05/2009 09:41 AM
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>> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
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>> Cisco are not stupid, they want people to actively pursue the
>> certification trail. It is one of their better money spinners.
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>> Saying that, they have introduced Forensic Analyses in the written
>> exams, so who is to say they do not monitor these forums?
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>> GS is about learning to master a topic, not to cheat your way to CCIE,
>> if it was the latter Cisco would have closed this forum down a long time
>> ago.
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>> Some times people do get close to the mark when discussing a topic, but
>> so long as the discussion is not a direct take from an exam, I do not
>> believe there is much Cisco can do about it.
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>> So when asking questions, you are not really trying to find out what is
>> in the lab, you are trying to master a skill that you do not fully
>> understand. Do not mistake the two.
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>> Please remember if you break the NDA, you will either get a one-year or
>> possibly a life-time testing ban.
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>> Either one of those could finish your career in networking.
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>> Regards Grant
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> Shaughn Smith
>> Sent: 05 June 2009 15:19
>> To: 'Ryan West'; 'ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com'; 'Cisco certification'
>> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
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>> Good point. I suppose everyone's moral compass is a bit different.
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>> I do know of people that have been contacted. Don't know results of the
>> enquiries though.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ryan West [mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com]
>> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 4:15 PM
>> To: Shaughn Smith; 'ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com'; 'Cisco certification'
>> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
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>> The point is, not everyone lives by the same moral code. What is
>> completely acceptable by a sociopath is not acceptable by the norm.
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>> I'm still curious if anyone has either been contacted by Cisco about
>> this or known someone who has.
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>> -ryan
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Shaughn Smith [mailto:Shaughn.Smith_at_mtnbusiness.co.za]
>> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 9:44 AM
>> To: 'ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com'; Ryan West; 'Cisco certification'
>> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
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>> Agreed.
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>> You should have a gut feeling as to what is allowed and what isnt.
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>> CCIE#23962
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com
>> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:33 PM
>> To: Ryan West; Cisco certification
>> Subject: Re: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
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>> I think this is one of those questions that can be answered by-
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>> "If you have to think about it, then you shouldn't do it."
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>> I don't see how there can be any grey areas on this. Don't reveal
>> anything about the contents of the exam. If you were the recipient of
>> questionable info, don't pass it on. Do the right thing here.
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>> If it's public knowledge(blueprint), then no issues.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com>
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>> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:30:56
>> To: Cisco certification<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> Subject: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
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>> If you were to look through the archives, it's fairly easy to come up an
>> accurate picture of what to expect from the lab. Vendors and test
>> takers alike post information; such as test taking strategies and trends
>> in labs (having more IGP / Frame-Relay complete). I don't see people on
>> this list ever post exact examples of what their labs were like, but I
>> wanted to raise the question of what is considered acceptable. Has
>> anyone been contacted by Cisco and asked to stop being liberal with
>> information or had a more stringent penalty applied to them?
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>> I know the easy way out is to provide responses like, "If you study the
>> right way, you'll be fine." However, I was provided with helpful
>> information from those who had been through the process and I don't mind
>> giving back. Could you guys give some feedback of where you think the
>> line is and what might be considered gray?
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>> -ryan
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