Re: The Reason for failing?

Narbik - Congratulations, but I'm sure they only passed because you
are also one of the "360 Master Instructors"....quit taking credit
where it's not due. ;-)

Regards,

Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
President & Founder - IPexpert, Inc.
Email: wlawson_at_ipexpert.com
Mobile: 810.334.1564

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On Jun 12, 2009, at 5:11 PM, Anthony Faria <tfaria72_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Thas what I am talkin about!!
>
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Narbik Kocharians
> <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> I like to congratulate 2 of my students that passed the exam on
>> their first
>> attempt, these guys were in my Poland boot camp 5 months ago and
>> they also
>> repeated my boot camp three weeks ago as per my recommendation. They
>> followed my recommendations, and the end result is that they passed
>> the
>> lab.
>> I believe you need to dig through each protocol, one at a time, and
>> once
>> you
>> examine the hairs within that protocol, and you are able to answer
>> all of
>> YOUR questions, then, you are ready.
>>
>> Once again congratulations to:
>>
>> Dominick Nowicki 24543
>> Mariusz Trojanowski 24551
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Andrew Bruce Caslow <
>> abcaslow_at_netmasterclass.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Sameer,
>>>
>>> Along with mastering the inner-workings and behavior of specific
>> protocols,
>>> what we have seen over the years is: successful CCIE candidates
>>> must also
>>> formulate a highly structured problem-solving AND verification
>>> approach.
>>>
>>> To get CCIE candidates in the correct frame of mind for starting
>>> the long
>>> journey of preparing for the CCIE lab, we begin the entire process
>>> by
>>> making
>>> this assertion that implicitly stressly the need for creating a
>> structured
>>> problem solving approach:
>>>
>>> "CCIE candidates, we are going to prepare you to fulfill 'minimally
>>> described' configuration and troubleshooting tasks".
>>>
>>> We feel that this statement captures the essence of CCIE level
>>> problems:
>>> they are configuration and/or troubleshooting tasks that are
>>> "minimally
>>> described" BUT they might contain explicitly described restrictions.
>>> Regardless of how minimally described a CCIE level configuration
>>> task is,
>> a
>>> CCIE candidate should be able to solve the task. They should know
>>> what to
>>> look for and know what questions to ask.
>>>
>>> In the Cisco 360 program, the problem solving approach we
>>> recommend for
>>> these "minimally described" types of problems is called "issue
>>> spotting
>> and
>>> options analysis". Also, due to the strong influence of Bob
>>> Sinclair one
>> of
>>> our Cisco 360 master instructors and lead content developers, heavy
>>> emphasis
>>> is placed on verification of a task, even more so than on the
>> configuration
>>> of the task itself.
>>>
>>> By using a consistent problem solving and learning approach, CCIE
>>> candidates
>>> can use the same approach for each new protocol and technology they
>> learn.
>>> While the technical topics may change, the problem solving and
>>> learning
>>> approach remains constant.
>>>
>>> This is why we say the CCIE lab is as much about measuring the
>>> mastery of
>>> protocols and technologies as it is about validating one's problem
>> solving
>>> and analysis skills.
>>>
>>> To get a better understanding of this, check out some of the Cisco
>>> 360
>>> Video
>>> on Demand Lesson Modules. In particular, check out the Link-Layer (7
>> hours
>>> of Video), IGP (6 hours) or BGP Lesson Modules (7 hours). Not only
>>> do
>> these
>>> modules cover the stated technology, they apply the consistent
>>> "issue
>>> spotting and options analysis" problem solving approach. They are
>>> also
>>> bundled with Spot the Issues quizzes and hands-on technology focused
>> labs.
>>> As the VoD presenter talks, you can watch him configure and verify
>>> the
>>> specific technologies at an actual router or switch prompt as if
>>> you were
>>> looking over his shoulder while he was typing. It is a very
>>> effective
>>> presentation style.
>>>
>>> The presenter in each of the Video-on-Demand sessions mentioned
>>> above is
>>> none other than Mr. Anthony Sequiera, now of InternetworkExperts.
>>> Anthony
>>> did a great job presenting this content. I really enjoyed working
>>> with
>> him
>>> on this project. Thanks Anthony!!! You deserve an Academy Award
>>> for your
>>> performance! : )
>>>
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>> -Bruce Caslow CCIE #3139
>>> Cisco 360 Master Instructor
>>> NetMasterClass, LLC
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> sameer khan
>>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 11:03 AM
>>> To: narbikk; marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com
>>> Cc: asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com; groupstudy
>>> Subject: RE: The Reason for failing?
>>>
>>> every one who is preparing for CCIE exam already know ( i am
>>> guessing)
>> the
>>> fact that knowing the inner work or behavior of protocols are
>>> essential
>> key
>>> to
>>> passing, then why people not concentrate on that if that is the
>>> reason.
>>>
>>> as i have heard, your worst enemy will hide in the last place you
>>> will
>> ever
>>> look, or in this case least expected topic :D
>>>
>>> and as with some of the stuff, there are no minor topics. :D
>>>
>>> Thanks all for answering
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> --c
>>>
>>>
>>>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:45:30 -0700
>>>> Subject: Re: The Reason for failing?
>>>> From: narbikk_at_gmail.com
>>>> To: marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com
>>>> CC: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com; asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com;
>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Scott 100 percent.
>>>>
>>>> So you should make number 10, WAS I READY FOR THE TEST?
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Marc La Porte
>>> <marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sameer,
>>>>>
>>>>> I solely failed on underestimating the required knowledge and
>> know-how
>>> on
>>>>> the minor topics (QoS, Security, IP Services, Multicast, etc).
>>>>> Other
>>> than
>>>>> that I was fine on the L2/L3 stuff, fine on time management (L2/L3
>> done
>>> by
>>>>> lunch), and fine on the stress (came in the day before, relaxed
>>>>> with
>> a
>>> nice
>>>>> dinner, a non-Cisco book, a bath, an early night, and a good
>>> breakfast).
>>>>>
>>>>> I actually ended up not asking anything to the proctor, but that's
>> not
>>> why
>>>>> I
>>>>> failed...
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Marc
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 16:18, sameer khan <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> hi Anthony;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That really helpful, just a suggestion that if possible IE also
>>>>>> if
>>> can
>>>>> have
>>>>>> .pdf format of the articles, that will be great to download or
>>> printing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In regards to my question, i am trying to figure out why people
>> fail,
>>> so
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> concentrate from that perspective. As i am guessing is that
>>>>>> mixing
>> of
>>>>>> technologies changes the expected behavior of the
>>> protocol/configuration
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> thus making the matter confusing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If can one else please add there experiences of being
>>>>>> unsuccessful,
>> I
>>>>> will
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> greatful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CC: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>>>> From: asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com
>>>>>>> To: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: The Reason for failing?
>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:51:35 -0400
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Sameer!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here are some observations I documented about that question in
>> case
>>>>>>> you have not seen these:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2008/10/01/common-reasons-for-lab-exam-fa
>>> i
>>>>>> lure/<
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2008/10/01/common-reasons-for-lab-exam-fa
>>> i
>>> %0Alure/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
>>>>>>> http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/> <http://www.ine.com/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Test your Core Knowledge today!
>>>>>>> Q: What is the primary source of RPF information used by PIM?
>>>>>>> A: the unicast routing table
>>>>>>> More Info:
>>> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc957916.aspx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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