Re: The Reason for failing?

Thas what I am talkin about!!

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 1:45 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> All,
>
> I like to congratulate 2 of my students that passed the exam on their first
> attempt, these guys were in my Poland boot camp 5 months ago and they also
> repeated my boot camp three weeks ago as per my recommendation. They
> followed my recommendations, and the end result is that they passed the
> lab.
> I believe you need to dig through each protocol, one at a time, and once
> you
> examine the hairs within that protocol, and you are able to answer all of
> YOUR questions, then, you are ready.
>
> Once again congratulations to:
>
> Dominick Nowicki 24543
> Mariusz Trojanowski 24551
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Andrew Bruce Caslow <
> abcaslow_at_netmasterclass.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi Sameer,
> >
> > Along with mastering the inner-workings and behavior of specific
> protocols,
> > what we have seen over the years is: successful CCIE candidates must also
> > formulate a highly structured problem-solving AND verification approach.
> >
> > To get CCIE candidates in the correct frame of mind for starting the long
> > journey of preparing for the CCIE lab, we begin the entire process by
> > making
> > this assertion that implicitly stressly the need for creating a
> structured
> > problem solving approach:
> >
> > "CCIE candidates, we are going to prepare you to fulfill 'minimally
> > described' configuration and troubleshooting tasks".
> >
> > We feel that this statement captures the essence of CCIE level problems:
> > they are configuration and/or troubleshooting tasks that are "minimally
> > described" BUT they might contain explicitly described restrictions.
> > Regardless of how minimally described a CCIE level configuration task is,
> a
> > CCIE candidate should be able to solve the task. They should know what to
> > look for and know what questions to ask.
> >
> > In the Cisco 360 program, the problem solving approach we recommend for
> > these "minimally described" types of problems is called "issue spotting
> and
> > options analysis". Also, due to the strong influence of Bob Sinclair one
> of
> > our Cisco 360 master instructors and lead content developers, heavy
> > emphasis
> > is placed on verification of a task, even more so than on the
> configuration
> > of the task itself.
> >
> > By using a consistent problem solving and learning approach, CCIE
> > candidates
> > can use the same approach for each new protocol and technology they
> learn.
> > While the technical topics may change, the problem solving and learning
> > approach remains constant.
> >
> > This is why we say the CCIE lab is as much about measuring the mastery of
> > protocols and technologies as it is about validating one's problem
> solving
> > and analysis skills.
> >
> > To get a better understanding of this, check out some of the Cisco 360
> > Video
> > on Demand Lesson Modules. In particular, check out the Link-Layer (7
> hours
> > of Video), IGP (6 hours) or BGP Lesson Modules (7 hours). Not only do
> these
> > modules cover the stated technology, they apply the consistent "issue
> > spotting and options analysis" problem solving approach. They are also
> > bundled with Spot the Issues quizzes and hands-on technology focused
> labs.
> > As the VoD presenter talks, you can watch him configure and verify the
> > specific technologies at an actual router or switch prompt as if you were
> > looking over his shoulder while he was typing. It is a very effective
> > presentation style.
> >
> > The presenter in each of the Video-on-Demand sessions mentioned above is
> > none other than Mr. Anthony Sequiera, now of InternetworkExperts. Anthony
> > did a great job presenting this content. I really enjoyed working with
> him
> > on this project. Thanks Anthony!!! You deserve an Academy Award for your
> > performance! : )
> >
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > -Bruce Caslow CCIE #3139
> > Cisco 360 Master Instructor
> > NetMasterClass, LLC
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > sameer khan
> > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 11:03 AM
> > To: narbikk; marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com
> > Cc: asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com; groupstudy
> > Subject: RE: The Reason for failing?
> >
> > every one who is preparing for CCIE exam already know ( i am guessing)
> the
> > fact that knowing the inner work or behavior of protocols are essential
> key
> > to
> > passing, then why people not concentrate on that if that is the reason.
> >
> > as i have heard, your worst enemy will hide in the last place you will
> ever
> > look, or in this case least expected topic :D
> >
> > and as with some of the stuff, there are no minor topics. :D
> >
> > Thanks all for answering
> >
> > Regards
> > --c
> >
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:45:30 -0700
> > > Subject: Re: The Reason for failing?
> > > From: narbikk_at_gmail.com
> > > To: marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com
> > > CC: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com; asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com;
> > ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > >
> > > I agree with Scott 100 percent.
> > >
> > > So you should make number 10, WAS I READY FOR THE TEST?
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Marc La Porte
> > <marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sameer,
> > > >
> > > > I solely failed on underestimating the required knowledge and
> know-how
> > on
> > > > the minor topics (QoS, Security, IP Services, Multicast, etc). Other
> > than
> > > > that I was fine on the L2/L3 stuff, fine on time management (L2/L3
> done
> > by
> > > > lunch), and fine on the stress (came in the day before, relaxed with
> a
> > nice
> > > > dinner, a non-Cisco book, a bath, an early night, and a good
> > breakfast).
> > > >
> > > > I actually ended up not asking anything to the proctor, but that's
> not
> > why
> > > > I
> > > > failed...
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Marc
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 16:18, sameer khan <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > hi Anthony;
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > That really helpful, just a suggestion that if possible IE also if
> > can
> > > > have
> > > > > .pdf format of the articles, that will be great to download or
> > printing.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In regards to my question, i am trying to figure out why people
> fail,
> > so
> > > > > that
> > > > > concentrate from that perspective. As i am guessing is that mixing
> of
> > > > > technologies changes the expected behavior of the
> > protocol/configuration
> > > > > and
> > > > > thus making the matter confusing.
> > > > >
> > > > > If can one else please add there experiences of being unsuccessful,
> I
> > > > will
> > > > > be
> > > > > greatful.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > > CC: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > > > > From: asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com
> > > > > > To: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: The Reason for failing?
> > > > > > Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:51:35 -0400
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Sameer!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here are some observations I documented about that question in
> case
> > > > > > you have not seen these:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2008/10/01/common-reasons-for-lab-exam-fa
> > i
> > > > > lure/<
> > > >
> >
> >
> http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2008/10/01/common-reasons-for-lab-exam-fa
> > i
> > %0Alure/
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Warmest Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
> > > > > > http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/> <http://www.ine.com/>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Test your Core Knowledge today!
> > > > > > Q: What is the primary source of RPF information used by PIM?
> > > > > > A: the unicast routing table
> > > > > > More Info:
> > http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc957916.aspx
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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