Re: The Reason for failing?

All,

I like to congratulate 2 of my students that passed the exam on their first
attempt, these guys were in my Poland boot camp 5 months ago and they also
repeated my boot camp three weeks ago as per my recommendation. They
followed my recommendations, and the end result is that they passed the lab.
I believe you need to dig through each protocol, one at a time, and once you
examine the hairs within that protocol, and you are able to answer all of
YOUR questions, then, you are ready.

Once again congratulations to:

Dominick Nowicki 24543
Mariusz Trojanowski 24551

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 1:24 PM, Andrew Bruce Caslow <
abcaslow_at_netmasterclass.net> wrote:

> Hi Sameer,
>
> Along with mastering the inner-workings and behavior of specific protocols,
> what we have seen over the years is: successful CCIE candidates must also
> formulate a highly structured problem-solving AND verification approach.
>
> To get CCIE candidates in the correct frame of mind for starting the long
> journey of preparing for the CCIE lab, we begin the entire process by
> making
> this assertion that implicitly stressly the need for creating a structured
> problem solving approach:
>
> "CCIE candidates, we are going to prepare you to fulfill 'minimally
> described' configuration and troubleshooting tasks".
>
> We feel that this statement captures the essence of CCIE level problems:
> they are configuration and/or troubleshooting tasks that are "minimally
> described" BUT they might contain explicitly described restrictions.
> Regardless of how minimally described a CCIE level configuration task is, a
> CCIE candidate should be able to solve the task. They should know what to
> look for and know what questions to ask.
>
> In the Cisco 360 program, the problem solving approach we recommend for
> these "minimally described" types of problems is called "issue spotting and
> options analysis". Also, due to the strong influence of Bob Sinclair one of
> our Cisco 360 master instructors and lead content developers, heavy
> emphasis
> is placed on verification of a task, even more so than on the configuration
> of the task itself.
>
> By using a consistent problem solving and learning approach, CCIE
> candidates
> can use the same approach for each new protocol and technology they learn.
> While the technical topics may change, the problem solving and learning
> approach remains constant.
>
> This is why we say the CCIE lab is as much about measuring the mastery of
> protocols and technologies as it is about validating one's problem solving
> and analysis skills.
>
> To get a better understanding of this, check out some of the Cisco 360
> Video
> on Demand Lesson Modules. In particular, check out the Link-Layer (7 hours
> of Video), IGP (6 hours) or BGP Lesson Modules (7 hours). Not only do these
> modules cover the stated technology, they apply the consistent "issue
> spotting and options analysis" problem solving approach. They are also
> bundled with Spot the Issues quizzes and hands-on technology focused labs.
> As the VoD presenter talks, you can watch him configure and verify the
> specific technologies at an actual router or switch prompt as if you were
> looking over his shoulder while he was typing. It is a very effective
> presentation style.
>
> The presenter in each of the Video-on-Demand sessions mentioned above is
> none other than Mr. Anthony Sequiera, now of InternetworkExperts. Anthony
> did a great job presenting this content. I really enjoyed working with him
> on this project. Thanks Anthony!!! You deserve an Academy Award for your
> performance! : )
>
>
> HTH,
>
> -Bruce Caslow CCIE #3139
> Cisco 360 Master Instructor
> NetMasterClass, LLC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> sameer khan
> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 11:03 AM
> To: narbikk; marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com
> Cc: asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com; groupstudy
> Subject: RE: The Reason for failing?
>
> every one who is preparing for CCIE exam already know ( i am guessing) the
> fact that knowing the inner work or behavior of protocols are essential key
> to
> passing, then why people not concentrate on that if that is the reason.
>
> as i have heard, your worst enemy will hide in the last place you will ever
> look, or in this case least expected topic :D
>
> and as with some of the stuff, there are no minor topics. :D
>
> Thanks all for answering
>
> Regards
> --c
>
>
> > Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:45:30 -0700
> > Subject: Re: The Reason for failing?
> > From: narbikk_at_gmail.com
> > To: marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com
> > CC: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com; asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com;
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> >
> > I agree with Scott 100 percent.
> >
> > So you should make number 10, WAS I READY FOR THE TEST?
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Marc La Porte
> <marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > Sameer,
> > >
> > > I solely failed on underestimating the required knowledge and know-how
> on
> > > the minor topics (QoS, Security, IP Services, Multicast, etc). Other
> than
> > > that I was fine on the L2/L3 stuff, fine on time management (L2/L3 done
> by
> > > lunch), and fine on the stress (came in the day before, relaxed with a
> nice
> > > dinner, a non-Cisco book, a bath, an early night, and a good
> breakfast).
> > >
> > > I actually ended up not asking anything to the proctor, but that's not
> why
> > > I
> > > failed...
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Marc
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 16:18, sameer khan <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > hi Anthony;
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That really helpful, just a suggestion that if possible IE also if
> can
> > > have
> > > > .pdf format of the articles, that will be great to download or
> printing.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In regards to my question, i am trying to figure out why people fail,
> so
> > > > that
> > > > concentrate from that perspective. As i am guessing is that mixing of
> > > > technologies changes the expected behavior of the
> protocol/configuration
> > > > and
> > > > thus making the matter confusing.
> > > >
> > > > If can one else please add there experiences of being unsuccessful, I
> > > will
> > > > be
> > > > greatful.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > > CC: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > > > From: asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com
> > > > > To: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: The Reason for failing?
> > > > > Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:51:35 -0400
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Sameer!
> > > > >
> > > > > Here are some observations I documented about that question in case
> > > > > you have not seen these:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
> http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2008/10/01/common-reasons-for-lab-exam-fa
> i
> > > > lure/<
> > >
>
> http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2008/10/01/common-reasons-for-lab-exam-fa
> i
> %0Alure/
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Warmest Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
> > > > > http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/> <http://www.ine.com/>
> > > > >
> > > > > Test your Core Knowledge today!
> > > > > Q: What is the primary source of RPF information used by PIM?
> > > > > A: the unicast routing table
> > > > > More Info:
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc957916.aspx
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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