RE: The Reason for failing?

Hi Sameer,

Along with mastering the inner-workings and behavior of specific protocols,
what we have seen over the years is: successful CCIE candidates must also
formulate a highly structured problem-solving AND verification approach.
 
To get CCIE candidates in the correct frame of mind for starting the long
journey of preparing for the CCIE lab, we begin the entire process by making
this assertion that implicitly stressly the need for creating a structured
problem solving approach:

"CCIE candidates, we are going to prepare you to fulfill 'minimally
described' configuration and troubleshooting tasks".

We feel that this statement captures the essence of CCIE level problems:
they are configuration and/or troubleshooting tasks that are "minimally
described" BUT they might contain explicitly described restrictions.
Regardless of how minimally described a CCIE level configuration task is, a
CCIE candidate should be able to solve the task. They should know what to
look for and know what questions to ask.

In the Cisco 360 program, the problem solving approach we recommend for
these "minimally described" types of problems is called "issue spotting and
options analysis". Also, due to the strong influence of Bob Sinclair one of
our Cisco 360 master instructors and lead content developers, heavy emphasis
is placed on verification of a task, even more so than on the configuration
of the task itself.

By using a consistent problem solving and learning approach, CCIE candidates
can use the same approach for each new protocol and technology they learn.
While the technical topics may change, the problem solving and learning
approach remains constant.

This is why we say the CCIE lab is as much about measuring the mastery of
protocols and technologies as it is about validating one's problem solving
and analysis skills.

To get a better understanding of this, check out some of the Cisco 360 Video
on Demand Lesson Modules. In particular, check out the Link-Layer (7 hours
of Video), IGP (6 hours) or BGP Lesson Modules (7 hours). Not only do these
modules cover the stated technology, they apply the consistent "issue
spotting and options analysis" problem solving approach. They are also
bundled with Spot the Issues quizzes and hands-on technology focused labs.
As the VoD presenter talks, you can watch him configure and verify the
specific technologies at an actual router or switch prompt as if you were
looking over his shoulder while he was typing. It is a very effective
presentation style.

The presenter in each of the Video-on-Demand sessions mentioned above is
none other than Mr. Anthony Sequiera, now of InternetworkExperts. Anthony
did a great job presenting this content. I really enjoyed working with him
on this project. Thanks Anthony!!! You deserve an Academy Award for your
performance! : )

HTH,

-Bruce Caslow CCIE #3139
 Cisco 360 Master Instructor
 NetMasterClass, LLC

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
sameer khan
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 11:03 AM
To: narbikk; marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com
Cc: asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com; groupstudy
Subject: RE: The Reason for failing?

every one who is preparing for CCIE exam already know ( i am guessing) the
fact that knowing the inner work or behavior of protocols are essential key
to
passing, then why people not concentrate on that if that is the reason.

as i have heard, your worst enemy will hide in the last place you will ever
look, or in this case least expected topic :D

and as with some of the stuff, there are no minor topics. :D

Thanks all for answering

Regards
--c

> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 07:45:30 -0700
> Subject: Re: The Reason for failing?
> From: narbikk_at_gmail.com
> To: marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com
> CC: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com; asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com;
ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>
> I agree with Scott 100 percent.
>
> So you should make number 10, WAS I READY FOR THE TEST?
>
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Marc La Porte
<marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Sameer,
> >
> > I solely failed on underestimating the required knowledge and know-how
on
> > the minor topics (QoS, Security, IP Services, Multicast, etc). Other
than
> > that I was fine on the L2/L3 stuff, fine on time management (L2/L3 done
by
> > lunch), and fine on the stress (came in the day before, relaxed with a
nice
> > dinner, a non-Cisco book, a bath, an early night, and a good breakfast).
> >
> > I actually ended up not asking anything to the proctor, but that's not
why
> > I
> > failed...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Marc
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 16:18, sameer khan <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > > hi Anthony;
> > >
> > >
> > > That really helpful, just a suggestion that if possible IE also if can
> > have
> > > .pdf format of the articles, that will be great to download or
printing.
> > >
> > >
> > > In regards to my question, i am trying to figure out why people fail,
so
> > > that
> > > concentrate from that perspective. As i am guessing is that mixing of
> > > technologies changes the expected behavior of the
protocol/configuration
> > > and
> > > thus making the matter confusing.
> > >
> > > If can one else please add there experiences of being unsuccessful, I
> > will
> > > be
> > > greatful.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > > CC: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > > > From: asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com
> > > > To: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com
> > > > Subject: Re: The Reason for failing?
> > > > Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:51:35 -0400
> > > >
> > > > Hi Sameer!
> > > >
> > > > Here are some observations I documented about that question in case
> > > > you have not seen these:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2008/10/01/common-reasons-for-lab-exam-fa
i
> > > lure/<
> >
http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2008/10/01/common-reasons-for-lab-exam-fa
i
%0Alure/
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Warmest Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
> > > > http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/>
> > > >
> > > > Test your Core Knowledge today!
> > > > Q: What is the primary source of RPF information used by PIM?
> > > > A: the unicast routing table
> > > > More Info: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc957916.aspx
> > > >
> > > >
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