Re: The Reason for failing?

I couldnt agree with you more about the breaking and changing labs trying to
re-route stuff to see what happens that is where you truly start to
understand what is going on.

Tony

On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Terry Vinson <consultant_at_tnclimited.com>wrote:

> Hey Guys,
>
> I don't post a lot on this forum but I do read almost every post. I have
> taken the R&S twice and failed it twice. The most frustrating thing for me
> was that each I time I failed it I knew I failed deep down. Heck on many
> levels I knew before I even scheduled that I wasn't ready. I was hoping the
> pressure of an impending date would force me to pick up the slack. Well
> that strategy didn't work very well for me or my wallet.
>
> I have been very fortunate in getting help from several people on this
> forum to include Narbik and Scott Morris. I find myself going over the same
> subjects again and again, and you would think that each time it would
> sink in a little more. I interestingly enough have figured out that doing
> the same lab over and over doesn't help me that much, its boring and my mind
> drifts. But when I take the idea or notion of a particular lab and try it in
> my own configuration, on my own equipment and make a subtle change then
> things don't often work out remotely as I expected. I have to troubleshoot
> and effort why it didn't. It's in that process that I really learn what I
> don't know. I have asked other people how they study and most just do the
> INE volume 2 labs 5,6, 10 times each and decide they are ready when they can
> do them all under a particular time frame.
>
> In all of this I have found out that my personal issues boil down to a lack
> of complete understanding of the fundamentals. Narbik proved to me during
> his boot camp beyond a shadow of a doubt that most of my problems with the
> lab or multiple protocol environments where directly related to an
> incomplete or inaccurate understanding of the core fundamentals of the
> technologies. The last thing I wanted to hear 4 weeks before my last lab
> was that I was missing fundamentals that I thought I had down months ago.
> But in honest reflection he as one hundred percent right.
>
> So far I think I failed because I didn't take the next logical step of
> making my own labs and breaking the technology (resulting in many confused
> emails, posts and maybe a few promises to divine entities for intervention).
> The labs and workbooks INE and Narbik (and others) make are great but they
> are basically created to illustrate a technology or protocol not to be the
> definitive example.
>
> Scott Morris once describe the CCIE lab as a "Complex Arrangement of Simple
> Tasks." He is balls on accurate. Both tests I took where no where near as
> complicated as many of the practice labs I paid for from vendors, the
> proctors weren't any where near as nefarious I expected, the issue was me
> and my own preparedness. My biggest struggle has been with myself and being
> patient enough to keep at a technology till I understand it completely. I
> want run before I walk.
>
> The reason I'm writing this is because a lot of friends that I know that
> are studying for the exam are doing the same thing I have been doing. We
> have started creating our own labs and we all feel we have learned a lot
> from the exercise. So maybe it may be a help to someone else.
>
> Warmest Regards,
> Terry
>
>
>
> Anthony Faria wrote:
>
>> I think it boils down to we make excuses(kids,family tv,etc.). I am guilty
>> of this( probably the worst one). When I seen the test I knew I could have
>> passed if I had just studied harder. You just need to really study no
>> excuses and l;earn the technologies. That means read the topic then lab it
>> then read it again rinse and repeat till you can do in your sleep. It
>> sucks
>> it takes a huge amount of willpower not to say ahh thats good enough. You
>> have to find a way to force yourself to be committed to studying
>> wholehearted. There are so many good materials there is no reason not to
>> pass(not like the old days when Scott took test LOL JK ). My first attempt
>> I
>> was the biggest offender. I was like my strategy was off my time was
>> horrible i was in a car accident and had broken fingers during the lab( it
>> did suck but it was possible). It really boiled down to I gave 80 percent
>> effort instead of 200 percent effort in studying. I cost my family 1400$
>> we
>> didnt have because I weak and did not stay on top of it. I will be going
>> for
>> my second attempt in oct. I truly believe there is no reason not to pass
>> but
>> it is truly up to you. If you study the materials right you will be going
>> into a knife fight with a gun!! I know it is hard to tell your faults to
>> other people(I have a lot) but it is what it is. Dont make excuses just
>> get
>> it done this will make you a CCIE I truly believe. I have no doubt in
>> myself
>> this time around. That might be bold to say that I believe this is what it
>> takes.
>>
>> Just my honest opinion.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I agree with Scott 100 percent.
>>>
>>> So you should make number 10, WAS I READY FOR THE TEST?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Marc La Porte <marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Sameer,
>>>>
>>>> I solely failed on underestimating the required knowledge and know-how
>>>> on
>>>> the minor topics (QoS, Security, IP Services, Multicast, etc). Other
>>>> than
>>>> that I was fine on the L2/L3 stuff, fine on time management (L2/L3 done
>>>>
>>>>
>>> by
>>>
>>>
>>>> lunch), and fine on the stress (came in the day before, relaxed with a
>>>>
>>>>
>>> nice
>>>
>>>
>>>> dinner, a non-Cisco book, a bath, an early night, and a good breakfast).
>>>>
>>>> I actually ended up not asking anything to the proctor, but that's not
>>>>
>>>>
>>> why
>>>
>>>
>>>> I
>>>> failed...
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Marc
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 16:18, sameer khan <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> hi Anthony;
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That really helpful, just a suggestion that if possible IE also if can
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> have
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> .pdf format of the articles, that will be great to download or
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> printing.
>>>
>>>
>>>> In regards to my question, i am trying to figure out why people fail,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> so
>>>
>>>
>>>> that
>>>>> concentrate from that perspective. As i am guessing is that mixing of
>>>>> technologies changes the expected behavior of the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> protocol/configuration
>>>
>>>
>>>> and
>>>>> thus making the matter confusing.
>>>>>
>>>>> If can one else please add there experiences of being unsuccessful, I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> will
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> be
>>>>> greatful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> CC: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>>> From: asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com
>>>>>> To: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com
>>>>>> Subject: Re: The Reason for failing?
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:51:35 -0400
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sameer!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here are some observations I documented about that question in case
>>>>>> you have not seen these:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2008/10/01/common-reasons-for-lab-exam-fai
>>>
>>>
>>>> lure/<
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2008/10/01/common-reasons-for-lab-exam-fai%0Alure/
>>>
>>>
>>>> > >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
>>>>>> http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Test your Core Knowledge today!
>>>>>> Q: What is the primary source of RPF information used by PIM?
>>>>>> A: the unicast routing table
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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