Re: The Reason for failing?

Hey Guys,

I don't post a lot on this forum but I do read almost every post. I
have taken the R&S twice and failed it twice. The most frustrating
thing for me was that each I time I failed it I knew I failed deep
down. Heck on many levels I knew before I even scheduled that I wasn't
ready. I was hoping the pressure of an impending date would force me to
pick up the slack. Well that strategy didn't work very well for me or
my wallet.

I have been very fortunate in getting help from several people on this
forum to include Narbik and Scott Morris. I find myself going over the
same subjects again and again, and you would think that each time it
 would sink in a little more. I interestingly enough have figured out
that doing the same lab over and over doesn't help me that much, its
boring and my mind drifts. But when I take the idea or notion of a
particular lab and try it in my own configuration, on my own equipment
and make a subtle change then things don't often work out remotely as I
expected. I have to troubleshoot and effort why it didn't. It's in
that process that I really learn what I don't know. I have asked other
people how they study and most just do the INE volume 2 labs 5,6, 10
times each and decide they are ready when they can do them all under a
particular time frame.

In all of this I have found out that my personal issues boil down to a
lack of complete understanding of the fundamentals. Narbik proved to me
during his boot camp beyond a shadow of a doubt that most of my problems
with the lab or multiple protocol environments where directly related to
an incomplete or inaccurate understanding of the core fundamentals of
the technologies. The last thing I wanted to hear 4 weeks before my
last lab was that I was missing fundamentals that I thought I had down
months ago. But in honest reflection he as one hundred percent right.

So far I think I failed because I didn't take the next logical step of
making my own labs and breaking the technology (resulting in many
confused emails, posts and maybe a few promises to divine entities for
intervention). The labs and workbooks INE and Narbik (and others) make
are great but they are basically created to illustrate a technology or
protocol not to be the definitive example.

Scott Morris once describe the CCIE lab as a "Complex Arrangement of
Simple Tasks." He is balls on accurate. Both tests I took where no
where near as complicated as many of the practice labs I paid for from
vendors, the proctors weren't any where near as nefarious I expected,
the issue was me and my own preparedness. My biggest struggle has been
with myself and being patient enough to keep at a technology till I
understand it completely. I want run before I walk.

The reason I'm writing this is because a lot of friends that I know that
are studying for the exam are doing the same thing I have been doing.
We have started creating our own labs and we all feel we have learned a
lot from the exercise. So maybe it may be a help to someone else.

Warmest Regards,
Terry

Anthony Faria wrote:
> I think it boils down to we make excuses(kids,family tv,etc.). I am guilty
> of this( probably the worst one). When I seen the test I knew I could have
> passed if I had just studied harder. You just need to really study no
> excuses and l;earn the technologies. That means read the topic then lab it
> then read it again rinse and repeat till you can do in your sleep. It sucks
> it takes a huge amount of willpower not to say ahh thats good enough. You
> have to find a way to force yourself to be committed to studying
> wholehearted. There are so many good materials there is no reason not to
> pass(not like the old days when Scott took test LOL JK ). My first attempt I
> was the biggest offender. I was like my strategy was off my time was
> horrible i was in a car accident and had broken fingers during the lab( it
> did suck but it was possible). It really boiled down to I gave 80 percent
> effort instead of 200 percent effort in studying. I cost my family 1400$ we
> didnt have because I weak and did not stay on top of it. I will be going for
> my second attempt in oct. I truly believe there is no reason not to pass but
> it is truly up to you. If you study the materials right you will be going
> into a knife fight with a gun!! I know it is hard to tell your faults to
> other people(I have a lot) but it is what it is. Dont make excuses just get
> it done this will make you a CCIE I truly believe. I have no doubt in myself
> this time around. That might be bold to say that I believe this is what it
> takes.
>
> Just my honest opinion.
>
> Tony
>
> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>> I agree with Scott 100 percent.
>>
>> So you should make number 10, WAS I READY FOR THE TEST?
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Marc La Porte <marc.a.laporte_at_gmail.com
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sameer,
>>>
>>> I solely failed on underestimating the required knowledge and know-how on
>>> the minor topics (QoS, Security, IP Services, Multicast, etc). Other than
>>> that I was fine on the L2/L3 stuff, fine on time management (L2/L3 done
>>>
>> by
>>
>>> lunch), and fine on the stress (came in the day before, relaxed with a
>>>
>> nice
>>
>>> dinner, a non-Cisco book, a bath, an early night, and a good breakfast).
>>>
>>> I actually ended up not asking anything to the proctor, but that's not
>>>
>> why
>>
>>> I
>>> failed...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Marc
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 16:18, sameer khan <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> hi Anthony;
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That really helpful, just a suggestion that if possible IE also if can
>>>>
>>> have
>>>
>>>> .pdf format of the articles, that will be great to download or
>>>>
>> printing.
>>
>>>> In regards to my question, i am trying to figure out why people fail,
>>>>
>> so
>>
>>>> that
>>>> concentrate from that perspective. As i am guessing is that mixing of
>>>> technologies changes the expected behavior of the
>>>>
>> protocol/configuration
>>
>>>> and
>>>> thus making the matter confusing.
>>>>
>>>> If can one else please add there experiences of being unsuccessful, I
>>>>
>>> will
>>>
>>>> be
>>>> greatful.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> CC: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>>>> From: asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com
>>>>> To: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: The Reason for failing?
>>>>> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 09:51:35 -0400
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Sameer!
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are some observations I documented about that question in case
>>>>> you have not seen these:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>> http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2008/10/01/common-reasons-for-lab-exam-fai
>>
>>>> lure/<
>>>>
>> http://blog.internetworkexpert.com/2008/10/01/common-reasons-for-lab-exam-fai%0Alure/
>>
>>> > >
>>>
>>>>> Warmest Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626
>>>>> http://www.INE.com <http://www.ine.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Test your Core Knowledge today!
>>>>> Q: What is the primary source of RPF information used by PIM?
>>>>> A: the unicast routing table
>>>>> More Info: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc957916.aspx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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