Re: CCIE bootcamp that will take learning credits?

Well being a CCIE Candidate, I will be immodest and say that I AM motivated
by the extra $$$. Not that getting that # is not prestigious enough, but let
us not kid ourselves here... if I am spending $10K+ directly and much more
indirectly by spending countless hours on the preparation, I would like to
see some benefits after I succeed.

Wayne, I will take that 6-figure (7-figures would be even better!) salary
any day (LOL).
Though I do agree that Cisco's approach to the 360 program and the CLC's
smacks of high-handedness... at the end of the day, they are in it for the
money. Only time will tell if their approach is as bad as everyone thinks it
is.

Piyoush.

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Wayne Lawson <groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:

> Nassar -
>
> Your response doesn't make any sense to me. "You can't measure
> the quality of your training material based on how many people passed"
> - its CCIE TRAINING MATERIAL - Remember?!?!? How else would you
> measure the legitimacy of CCIE training material???.....Please
> explain....
>
> You also say that "not everyone is motivated by a 6-figure
> income" - yeah, although that's true (but even then a majority of the
> 1,300 CCIEs we have helped certify have been motivated - and excited
> about the income increase they received after passing!) - CCIE
> Candidates ARE motivated by the job securty it provides. Why else do
> you suggest people spend thousands of dollars and invest their heart
> and soul into an amazing accomplishment?...It's the same as chasing
> after an MBA....most people don't toss 100k+ at a University and many
> years of their life just to "learn" something and not "reap the
> rewards" of their hard work....
>
> Great plug on the INE 2.0 materials - and I would agree that
> they provide valuable training resources (I also measure them as being
> successful because they have the world's 3rd largest list of CCIEs -
> behind NLI and us). In fact, NLIs material and Narbik's material are
> also "valuable" in their own unique way. Personally, I think the INE
> "2.0" strategy wasn't necessarily a "big revolution" like they claimed
> it was. Although their workbooks are solid (as are ours and our other
> competitors), they took freebies (their free online training sessions)
> and began charging for them (ours are still free), they took a
> negative and attempted to market it as a "positive" (their workbooks
> will "never be complete") - pleeeease...they got beat up for years
> because their products were never "complete" - our products have a
> predefined design - and when it's done - it's done - we don't ask our
> competitors to "hang in there forever because our products will never
> be complete. Minor error corrections and updates are understandable,
> but "never complete" is a marketing scheme based on word play - and
> unfortunately some people bought it (and some peope even see it as a
> "great revolution" which amazes me - that's what they were bashed for
> over the span of many years - now people think it's a positive?!?).
> And their poly-whatchya-callit labs seems (to me) like a very bad
> idea. How can you accurately prepare for the real lab if they are
> "pulling out topics you understand" - isn't that (other than time
> management) one of the biggest challenges of the lab?!?....to get
> EVERYTHING working together properly?!....pulling out topics (even if
> you score well on those individual topics) will eliminate a large
> portion of various "situations" that can arise with other various
> protocols and technologies overlap....
>
> Again - I'm not attempting to start a vendor war here - so note
> that I did give "kudos" to the other "grey market" vendors. The
> primary point in this thread is that Cisco's 360 is an unproven and
> unfinished product - and in July that's all CCIE candidates will be
> able to purchase with CLCs. Cisco clearly didn't want to offer proven,
> quality materials through their partners (materials such as ours, IEs
> or Narbik's) - they just want to earn a buck selling something that's
> not as good, isn't supported well, doesn't have a solid guarantee and
> is extremely expensive. We, Narbik and IE will all be around years
> from now - I highly doubt the 360 program will be. Check back with me
> in 3 years on this! ;-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
> President & Founder - IPexpert, Inc.
> Email: wlawson_at_ipexpert.com
>
> :: Message sent from iPhone.
>
> On Jun 9, 2009, at 11:44 PM, Nasser Abraham <nasser.abraham_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Wayne,
> > Not everyone who pursues a CCIE does so just to pass an exam. You
> > really cannot measure the quality of training material purely based
> > upon how many people have passed the CCIE exam. Also, not everyone
> > is motivated by a "six-figure income", but if that is the way you
> > try to sell your product, then kudos to you.
> >
> > In saying that, we have the 360 program available to us through
> > work. Whilst I find the 360 program to be a valuable resource, I
> > would consider INE CCIE 2.0 program to be more comprehensive in
> > teaching the technologies.
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Wayne Lawson
> > <groupstudy_at_ipexpert.com> wrote:
> > I guess the questions to ask are: *how many people have passed using
> > 360 material* and *how many people have passed using "grey market"
> > material*....
>
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