Re: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line

haha..........Darby! comon put your comments here..

On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 1:08 AM, <Charles.Henson_at_regions.com> wrote:

> I did it to spin him up. He'd of replied already but he's typing a long
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> Charles
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> From: Shaughn Smith <Shaughn.Smith_at_mtnbusiness.co.za>
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> To: "'Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com'" <Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com>,
> 'Grant Stevenson' <Grant.Stevenson_at_btinet.bt.com>
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> Cc: 'Cisco certification' <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>, "'
> nobody_at_groupstudy.com'" <nobody_at_groupstudy.com>,
> "'ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com'" <ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com>, 'Ryan
> West' <rwest_at_zyedge.com>
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> Date: 06/05/2009 10:07 AM
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> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
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> " Now, there are other forums....."
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> Oh oh, now you have done it. Darby is on they way ;)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com [mailto:Charles.Henson_at_Regions.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 5:04 PM
> To: Grant Stevenson
> Cc: Cisco certification; nobody_at_groupstudy.com; ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com;
> Ryan West; Shaughn Smith
> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
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> But he has a point. Aren't most of us closer to sociopaths than the norm?
> Or is that just during studies prior to the lab?
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> Seriously though, I've been watching this forum a lot and I dig thru the
> archive a lot and I rarely see things that make me question if someone is
> pushing the envelope and I'm not even certified (yet). Usually it's "why
> does X make Y do this?" or "On vendor X lab 453 section 22.4 bullet 58 why
> does the tunnel cause recursive routing for my lonely RIPv2 subnet?" So I
> think most folks generally see the line and understand not to cross it.
> Now, there are other forums.....
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> Charles
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> From: "Grant Stevenson" <Grant.Stevenson_at_btinet.bt.com>
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> To: "Shaughn Smith" <Shaughn.Smith_at_mtnbusiness.co.za>, "Ryan
> West" <rwest_at_zyedge.com>, <ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com>,
> "Cisco certification" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
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> Date: 06/05/2009 09:41 AM
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> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
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> Cisco are not stupid, they want people to actively pursue the
> certification trail. It is one of their better money spinners.
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> Saying that, they have introduced Forensic Analyses in the written
> exams, so who is to say they do not monitor these forums?
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> GS is about learning to master a topic, not to cheat your way to CCIE,
> if it was the latter Cisco would have closed this forum down a long time
> ago.
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> Some times people do get close to the mark when discussing a topic, but
> so long as the discussion is not a direct take from an exam, I do not
> believe there is much Cisco can do about it.
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> So when asking questions, you are not really trying to find out what is
> in the lab, you are trying to master a skill that you do not fully
> understand. Do not mistake the two.
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> Please remember if you break the NDA, you will either get a one-year or
> possibly a life-time testing ban.
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> Either one of those could finish your career in networking.
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> Regards Grant
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Shaughn Smith
> Sent: 05 June 2009 15:19
> To: 'Ryan West'; 'ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com'; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
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> Good point. I suppose everyone's moral compass is a bit different.
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> I do know of people that have been contacted. Don't know results of the
> enquiries though.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan West [mailto:rwest_at_zyedge.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 4:15 PM
> To: Shaughn Smith; 'ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com'; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
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> The point is, not everyone lives by the same moral code. What is
> completely acceptable by a sociopath is not acceptable by the norm.
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> I'm still curious if anyone has either been contacted by Cisco about
> this or known someone who has.
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> -ryan
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shaughn Smith [mailto:Shaughn.Smith_at_mtnbusiness.co.za]
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 9:44 AM
> To: 'ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com'; Ryan West; 'Cisco certification'
> Subject: RE: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
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> Agreed.
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> You should have a gut feeling as to what is allowed and what isnt.
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> CCIE#23962
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> ron.wilkerson_at_gmail.com
> Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 3:33 PM
> To: Ryan West; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
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> I think this is one of those questions that can be answered by-
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> "If you have to think about it, then you shouldn't do it."
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> I don't see how there can be any grey areas on this. Don't reveal
> anything about the contents of the exam. If you were the recipient of
> questionable info, don't pass it on. Do the right thing here.
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> If it's public knowledge(blueprint), then no issues.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan West <rwest_at_zyedge.com>
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> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 08:30:56
> To: Cisco certification<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Subject: Breaking NDA - where to draw the line
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> If you were to look through the archives, it's fairly easy to come up an
> accurate picture of what to expect from the lab. Vendors and test
> takers alike post information; such as test taking strategies and trends
> in labs (having more IGP / Frame-Relay complete). I don't see people on
> this list ever post exact examples of what their labs were like, but I
> wanted to raise the question of what is considered acceptable. Has
> anyone been contacted by Cisco and asked to stop being liberal with
> information or had a more stringent penalty applied to them?
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> I know the easy way out is to provide responses like, "If you study the
> right way, you'll be fine." However, I was provided with helpful
> information from those who had been through the process and I don't mind
> giving back. Could you guys give some feedback of where you think the
> line is and what might be considered gray?
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> -ryan
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