Re: Open-Ended Questions in the CCIE Security Track

So You agree Cisco will let people in the 90 days window reschedule their
lab dates so they can review their books in a reaction to the sudden
announcement of OEQ ????

I think It is fair if really cisco do not care of money all they care about
is the VALUE :))

at last I really do not care of the OEQ or the T.S part , It will be great
to have 10 or 20 OEQ not only 4 !!!

the lab was 8 hours now it will be 7 and half hour so will they reduce the
tasks in the lab !!!! I do not think so .

better any announcement ( like the OEQ ) will take affect after 90 days so
they let people decide to spend more time on studying or spend more money
for the lab , and of course cisco choose the money :))

so will they delete the written or the OEQ after adding the T.S in the R &
S track ???

after 5 years that will be a history like Nortel architect :))

On 5/18/09, Scott Morris <smorris_at_internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>
> I don't necessarily agree with that. There are plenty of things that Cisco
> does which I don't agree with. however, I do think the OEQs are an "ok"
> idea. I think the troubleshooting is a great idea, and I've been saying
> that for years. (formerly, I guess that was a complaint, but now that they
> finally agree with me it's an agreement!)
>
> I really don't believe the addition of the OEQs was because of $$. Will it
> lead to extra revenue? Perhaps. although you're as likely to have people
> drop their dates (not spend money) as you are to have people fail because of
> the OEQs. So that would make it a wash financially.
>
> While I can't speak for all the instructors I can tell you that I've never
> had a problem in telling Cisco what I think about their policies/programs.
> Granted, if it's anything disparaging, I tend to make comments to the
> appropriate people rather than publicly. Gets better results that way. :)
> but, if I personally come out with a comment in agreement with what Cisco is
> doing, you can be assured that it's because I really agree with it and not
> because I'm toting anyone's corporate line.
>
> Case 'n' point regarding public commentary though, I've made several
> comments about the "plaques" currently received by people who pass their lab
> which I still don't like what Cisco's done. But OEQs and Troubleshooting, I
> think are good ideas.
>
> Just my two cents. :)
>
>
>
>
>
> *Scott Morris*, CCIE*x4* (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>
> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>
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>
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> Knowledge is power.
>
> Power corrupts.
>
> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>
>
>
>
> CCIE 2008 wrote:
>
> well said Tim
>
> Do not expect any of the CCIE instructors will say any word against Cisco ,
> or cisco will be angry and they cannot afford that :) all are working to
> gain money from the CCIE candidates :)
>
> so it is better for all of them to break the rules and make any changes they
> want in the 90 days window you paid for something but why not you will
> exam in another thing :)) you paid for the written already and pass but why
> not 4 or 5 Q will make you pay for another 1400 $ + hotel+ fly fees !!!!
>
>
> so everything Cisco say is the best even the instructors will try to mock
> the truth by telling keeping Value or other none sense reasons .
>
> all about business and money nothing more :)
>
> exams are so much money gain than any other hardware product.
>
>
>
>
> Best regards
>
>
> On 5/18/09, Tim <timcurci_at_roadrunner.com> <timcurci_at_roadrunner.com> wrote:
>
>
> Scott-
>
> I do not think that anyone is questioning whether one should understand
> what
> is being asked vis-a-vis the blueprint...although I specifically question
> the timing of the release of the change in format of the security exam
> since
> the blueprint has recently been revised (i.e. more than 30 days notice of
> the change should have been given). For those taking the exam within the
> next 90 days this is not what they paid for.
>
> Correct me if I am wrong, however, if one "fails" this 4-5 question
> mini-quiz, then one fails the lab. I am not sure what a passing score on
> this "quiz" is, nor will I ever know :). The whole thing seems somewhat
> subjective to me.
>
> Four to Five questions is not a statistically valid pool of questions that
> should invalidate the results of an 8-hour lab exam.
>
> If you fail the 4-5 question exam then Cisco should send you home and
> refund
> your $1,400.
>
> This is getting silly.
>
> Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com <nobody_at_groupstudy.com>] On Behalf Of
> Scott Morris
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:37 PM
> To: Mohammed Gazzaz
> Cc: ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; security_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Open-Ended Questions in the CCIE Security Track
>
> They're more about the application of knowledge. And that knowledge of
> protocols is what should be cemented more in your brain now from
> practicing for the lab exam. The "blueprint" covered by these
> open-ended questions is the lab blueprint. Although it's written in
> nature, it's about the application/knowledge of technologies.
>
> IMHO if you are practicing enough about how the different technologies
> really work rather than concentrating on any particular command-line
> memorization you'll have no problem at all with these things!
>
> We are compiling a list of sample questions/ideas and things of that
> nature at the moment, and will be releasing materials in order to help
> refresh your memory on things and drive away that fear, uncertainty and
> doubt!
>
>
>
>
> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>
> JNCIE-M #153, JNCIS-ER, CISSP, et al.
>
> JNCI-M, JNCI-ER
> smorris_at_internetworkexpert.com
>
>
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>
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>
>
> Knowledge is power.
>
> Power corrupts.
>
> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>
>
>
>
>
> Mohammed Gazzaz wrote:
>
>
> You are right, I should not be afraid but I am.
>
> I passed the written test last year and managed to score only 74%.
> I don't really have a good memory and it really hurts to fail the lab
>
>
> because of 4 simple questions.
>
>
> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 14:57:29 -0400
> Subject: Re: Open-Ended Questions in the CCIE Security Track
> From: ccie.weaver_at_gmail.com
> To: mgazzaz_at_hotmail.com
> CC: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; security_at_groupstudy.com
>
> Technically if you passed the written - you are there already - that test
>
>
> is filled with OEQ.
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 1:11 AM, Mohammed Gazzaz <mgazzaz_at_hotmail.com> <mgazzaz_at_hotmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
>
> What Study materials do you guys
> recommend? and are 2 months enough to prepare for the OEQ?
>
>
>
> Will those be enough ? or do I need more materials?
>
>
> Yusif's book
>
> DOC CD
>
> CCIE Security Exam Quick Reference Sheets
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>
> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; security_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Open-Ended Questions in the CCIE Security Track
> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 02:46:38 +0100
>
>
>
> Starting the 15th June:
> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/announcements/index.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Antonio Soares, CCIE #18473 (R&S)amsoares_at_netcabo.pt
>
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