Re: My 1st attempt is Friday...

I agee with Jared, when you can answer all of *YOUR* questions.

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Jared Scrivener
<jscrivener_at_ipexpert.com>wrote:

> When you think you will pass and have addressed your areas of doubt, you
> are
> ready to take the exam. If you don't think you'll pass, you probably won't.
>
> When you get to the point where you believe that it doesn't matter what
> topics they ask you because you can answer everything (w/ the documentation
> at least) and that you feel confident enough to think you're an expert (as
> you desire to be proclaimed one), go and take the exam. Until then, read
> more books, do more rack time and most of all THINK about how everything
> works until you are comfortable that you understand it clearly.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jared Scrivener CCIE3 #16983 (R&S, Security, SP), CISSP
> Sr. Technical Instructor - IPexpert, Inc.
> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444
> Fax: +1.810.454.0130
> Mailto: jscrivener_at_ipexpert.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Salah ElShekeil
> Sent: Friday, 17 April 2009 1:16 PM
> To: Brad Ellis
> Cc: michael haynes; Anthony Sequeira; Josh Fleishman; Larry Hadrava;
> Thameem
> Maranveetil Parambath; Larry; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com;
> nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: My 1st attempt is Friday...
>
> I have read that carefully it least twice is it that enough?
>
> also uncountable # of hours on the routers
>
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:
>
> > There is, of course, no guarantee that you will pass. However, the more
> > prepared you are, the better chances you will have of passing the exam.
> > For the core knowledge section, you should make sure you have read Doyle
> > 1 and 2, and also understand the concepts very well that you were
> > quizzed on for your written exam.
> >
> > thanks,
> > Brad Ellis
> > CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
> > CCSI# 30482
> > CEO / President
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> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Salah ElShekeil
> > Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:09 AM
> > To: michael haynes
> > Cc: Narbik Kocharians; Anthony Sequeira; Josh Fleishman; Larry Hadrava;
> > Thameem Maranveetil Parambath; Larry; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com;
> > nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: My 1st attempt is Friday...
> >
> > Dear all
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > how would I know that I'm 100% ready, I think passing mock labs is not
> > indicate that I will pass the lab,
> >
> >
> >
> > Since there is open ended!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > How would I know that I will paaaaaass ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > can someone share his knowledge please?
> >
> >
> >
> > SE
> > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:29 PM, michael haynes <mghaynes_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I wouldn't say it's a lack of confidence exactly - I just want to
> > > understand
> > > what Cisco is looking for as much as possible the same as I do for the
> > lab
> > > configuration portion. I probably would feel better if Cisco had
> > actually
> > > gone all the way and had a concept interview instead of just a few
> > short
> > > answer questions. I would also feel better if it was merely one
> > component
> > > of the overall score rather than a completely separate section with an
> > > extremely heavy weight attached to it.
> > >
> > > However, I have no control over these elements so I just seek to
> > understand
> > > how to prepare - and you guys have all been very helpful in that
> > regard.
> > > Thanks!
> > > Michael
> > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > *Anyways folks, do not let this stuff undermine your studies. Keep
> > your
> > > > head down and your confidence up.*
> > > > Well said, could not agree MORE.
> > > >
> > > > Some of you guys are freaking out for no reason. I see some
> > questions
> > > that
> > > > clearly shows that some of us have absolutely no confidence
> > whatsoever,
> > > How
> > > > should your employee trust your knowledge, if you don't?
> > > > What difference does it make if they give you 4 questions versus 5?
> > The
> > > big
> > > > question is, are you ready? Did you study properly? Which i am sure
> > we
> > > all
> > > > did, then, TRUST IS A MUST. gO THERE AND KICK a$$
> > > > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Anthony Sequeira <
> > > > asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> This is an awesome post! Thanks for the clarification.
> > > >>
> > > >> How funny, you pass the Core Knowledge and fail the Lab portion,
> > you
> > > >> request a re-read, and the re-read you Core Knowledge. I would
> > > specifically
> > > >> NOT WANT THEM TO DO THAT.
> > > >>
> > > >> :-)
> > > >>
> > > >> Anyways folks, do not let this stuff undermine your studies. Keep
> > your
> > > >> head down and your confidence up.
> > > >>
> > > >> Warmest Regards,
> > > >>
> > > >> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
> > > >> Senior CCIE Instructor
> > > >>
> > > >> asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com
> > > >>
> > > >> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
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> > > >> I must be teaching, my iTunes is stopped!
> > > >>
> > > >> On Apr 17, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Josh Fleishman wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> If you fail the short answer section Cisco deems the exam
> > ineligible for
> > > a
> > > >>> reread. It doesn't matter how you did on the lab portion.
> > Apparantly
> > > >>> they
> > > >>> have so much faith that their expected answers are the only
> > legitimate
> > > >>> answers and therefore a reread cannot result in changing your
> > score
> > > from
> > > >>> a
> > > >>> fail to a pass. You can however open a ticket to ensure your
> > answers
> > > >>> were
> > > >>> saved correctly and that you didn't fail due to technical glitch.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Apparently if you fail the lab portion but pass the core knowledge
> > > >>> section
> > > >>> and you request a reread, the core knowledge section will also be
> > > reread.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Yes, this does not seem to make a lot of sense. If the second
> > case
> > > >>> warrants
> > > >>> a reread of the core knowledge section, then why wouldn't a reread
> > of a
> > > >>> failed core knowledge section warrant one?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> My best advice to you is to get lucky, and receive 3 questions
> > that you
> > > >>> can
> > > >>> answer with answers they expect. I've noticed a lot of folks
> > feeling
> > > >>> like
> > > >>> they aced the core knowledge section but found out via their score
> > > report
> > > >>> that they failed. I haven't heard anyone say they didn't find at
> > least
> > > >>> three out of the four questions to be quite easy - even those who
> > > failed
> > > >>> the
> > > >>> section seem to agree.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> -Josh
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Larry Hadrava
> > <lhadrava_at_ipexpert.com
> > > >>> >wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Thameem:
> > > >>>> I did not make the comments you are quoting. I believe that
> > Anthony
> > > and
> > > >>>> some
> > > >>>> others might have made those comments.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> However, I have looked into this and according to the Cisco
> > > >>>> certifications
> > > >>>> online support portal, there will be a reread of the open ended
> > > >>>> questions
> > > >>>> sections as well. However, you may not ask for a reread of just
> > the
> > > open
> > > >>>> ended questions.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
> > http://ciscocert.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ciscocert.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.
> > php?p
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
> > _faqid=4610&p_created=1231808224&p_sid=EWPC1zvj&p_accessibility=0&p_redi
> > rect=
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
> > &p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX3Jvd19jbnQ9Mzk
> > sMzkm
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
> > cF9wcm9kcz0xOTY0LDE5NjUsMTk2NiZwX2NhdHM9JnBfcHY9My4xOTY2JnBfY3Y9JnBfcGFn
> > ZT0x&
> > > >>>> p_li=&p_topview=1
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Larry Hadrava
> > > >>>> CCIE #12203 CCNP CCNA
> > > >>>> Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
> > > >>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com <http://www.ipexpert.com/> <
> http://www.ipexpert.com/> <
> > http://www.ipexpert.com/> <
> > > http://www.ipexpert.com/> <
> > > >>>> http://www.ipexpert.com/>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Thameem Maranveetil Parambath <
> > > >>>> tparamba_at_thecontactcentre.ae> wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> * The questions are manually graded by a proctor. If you purchase
> > an
> > > >>>>> exam
> > > >>>>> re-read, they will re-grade your question responses.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Hi Larry, whats the meaning of the above statement then?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> May be cisco has re-thaughts on this section?
> > > >>>>> Also what i heard before was you have to score full in this
> > section
> > > for
> > > >>>>> Pass.. but now it is said that one question fail is OK for
> > passing?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Did i mistaken the replies?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > >>>>> Thameem
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> michael haynes <mghaynes_at_gmail.com>
> > > >>>>> Sent by: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> > > >>>>> 17/04/2009 04:43 PM
> > > >>>>> Please respond to
> > > >>>>> michael haynes <mghaynes_at_gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> To
> > > >>>>> Larry <cc13lab_at_gmail.com>
> > > >>>>> cc
> > > >>>>> Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com>,
> > > >>>>> "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > > >>>>> Subject
> > > >>>>> Re: My 1st attempt is Friday...
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I really appreciate all the comments about the questions.
> > Knowing
> > > the
> > > >>>>> process is half the battle against anxiety ;)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Michael
> > > >>>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Larry <cc13lab_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Anthony / All,
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> If you fail the questions you do not get a regrade. They will
> > not
> > > even
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>> give
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> you the option on your score report, unfortunately I know this
> > first
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>> hand
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> :)
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> * The questions are manually graded by a proctor. If you
> > purchase an
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>> exam
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> re-read, they will re-grade your question responses.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Anthony Sequeira <
> > > >>>>>> asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Hi Michael!
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> I have reported you to Cisco for asking about these
> > questions!!!!!
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> :-)
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> They have been very open (no pun intended) about the rules
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> surrounding
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> these questions. Here is a list of some key ones for you...
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> * You must complete this portion of the exam before you
> > start the
> > > >>>>>>> traditional configuration portion.
> > > >>>>>>> * You have a total of 30 minutes to complete this section,
> > you may
> > > >>>>>>> finish early if you like and immediately begin your
> > configuration
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> section.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> * You will receive 4 questions via the computer and you must
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> provide
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> short answers using the computer interface. The questions are
> > not
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> oral
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> in
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> nature. Typical responses require 4 to 5 words at most.
> > > >>>>>>> * Spelling and/or grammar does not count against you.
> > > >>>>>>> * The questions are manually graded by a proctor. If you
> > purchase
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> an
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> exam re-read, they will re-grade your question responses.
> > > >>>>>>> * You may not return to the short answer questions once you
> > have
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> begun
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> the configuration portion of the lab exam.
> > > >>>>>>> * You will not receive a score when you complete this
> > section, but
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> you
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> must pass this portion to pass the CCIE. You will receive your
> > score
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> in
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> the
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> open-ended section if you fail the exam. The score is reported
> > as
> > > 0%
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> or
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> 100%
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> (pass or fail). You may only miss one question in the section
> > in
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> order
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> to
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> pass.
> > > >>>>>>> * Most students finish the 4 to 5 questions in approximately
> > 12
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> minutes.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> * The configuration portion of the exam has been reduced to
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> accommodate
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> this initial 30 minutes.
> > > >>>>>>> * You still have a total of 8 hours that makeup the
> > open-ended
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> questions
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> and the configuration portion.
> > > >>>>>>> * You may not access the DOC-CD to answer these questions.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> I think that list answers your questions, but if you are
> > concerned
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> about
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> anything else - let us know!
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Warmest Regards,
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
> > > >>>>>>> Senior CCIE Instructor
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > > >>>>>>>
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> > > >>>>>>>
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> > > >>>>
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> > > >>>>>
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> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Listening to "Underneath the Stars" by
> > > >>>>>>> The Cure from
> > > >>>>>>> 4:13 Dream
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2009, at 12:17 PM, michael haynes wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to ask about the Core
> > questions,
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> but
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> I'm
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> also feeling very anxious about this section even though my
> > lab
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> isn't
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> for
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> awhile still. When this section was first announced, I was
> > under
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> the
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> impression that the questions would be graded prior to
> > allowing the
> > > >>>>>>>> candidate to sit the lab portion - if you potentially are
> > writing
> > > an
> > > >>>>>>>> essay,
> > > >>>>>>>> what kind of delay does that give you between completing that
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> section
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> and
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> getting the go-ahead to start the lab...
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> And if it's all graded at the end of the 8 hours, that seems
> > kind
> > > of
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> cruel
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> when you can fail all your marks by getting 2 core questions
> > wrong.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> If anyone can elaborate without breaking NDA, I'd sure
> > appreciate
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> some
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> insight.
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Michael
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Bryan Bartik <
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> bbartik_at_ipexpert.com>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> Hello,
> > > >>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> I would not worry about being too brief. If the answer can
> > be
> > > said
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> in 3
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> or
> > > >>>>>>>>> 4
> > > >>>>>>>>> words, than that's all you need. I am only mentioning this
> > so you
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> don't
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> worry about having too short an answer. That being said, I
> > don't
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> think
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> it
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> would hurt to elaborate if possible.
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Good luck,
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Bryan Bartik
> > > >>>>>>>>> CCIE #23707, CCNP
> > > >>>>>>>>> Sr. Support Engineer - IPexpert, Inc.
> > > >>>>>>>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com <http://www.ipexpert.com/> <
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> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> http://www.ipexpert.com/> <
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> http://www.ipexpert.com/>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Jonny English <
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> good luck man. 1st attempt, just don't have any expectations
> > and
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>> don't
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> put
> > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> too much pressure on yourself.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> you will be fine.....
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Chris Kleban <
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>> Chris.Kleban_at_citrix.com
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> Wish me luck.
> > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> I'm more nervous about the 30 minute open ended questions
> > then
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>> the
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> lab
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> work....
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>>>>> Chris Kleban
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>
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