RE: My 1st attempt is Friday...

Reading it and understanding it are two different things. If you
understand the principles and concepts thoroughly in Doyle 1 and 2, then
it would seem you should be in very good shape for the core knowledge
portion...granted if you didn't understand those principles and concepts
thoroughly, you probably shouldn't be taking the lab exam! (Which, my
guess, is the reason the core knowledge exists).

thanks,

Brad Ellis

CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)

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From: Salah ElShekeil [mailto:salah.elshekeil_at_gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:16 AM
To: Brad Ellis
Cc: michael haynes; Anthony Sequeira; Josh Fleishman; Larry Hadrava;
Thameem Maranveetil Parambath; Larry; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com;
nobody_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: My 1st attempt is Friday...

I have read that carefully it least twice is it that enough?

also uncountable # of hours on the routers

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Brad Ellis <brad_at_ccbootcamp.com> wrote:

There is, of course, no guarantee that you will pass. However, the more
prepared you are, the better chances you will have of passing the exam.
For the core knowledge section, you should make sure you have read Doyle
1 and 2, and also understand the concepts very well that you were
quizzed on for your written exam.

thanks,
Brad Ellis
CCIE#5796 (R&S / Security)
CCSI# 30482
CEO / President
CCBOOTCAMP - A Cisco Learning Partner (CLP)
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From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of

Salah ElShekeil
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 10:09 AM
To: michael haynes
Cc: Narbik Kocharians; Anthony Sequeira; Josh Fleishman; Larry Hadrava;
Thameem Maranveetil Parambath; Larry; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com;
nobody_at_groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: My 1st attempt is Friday...

Dear all

how would I know that I'm 100% ready, I think passing mock labs is not
indicate that I will pass the lab,

Since there is open ended!!!

How would I know that I will paaaaaass ?

can someone share his knowledge please?

SE
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:29 PM, michael haynes <mghaynes_at_gmail.com>
wrote:

> I wouldn't say it's a lack of confidence exactly - I just want to
> understand
> what Cisco is looking for as much as possible the same as I do for the
lab
> configuration portion. I probably would feel better if Cisco had
actually
> gone all the way and had a concept interview instead of just a few
short
> answer questions. I would also feel better if it was merely one
component
> of the overall score rather than a completely separate section with an
> extremely heavy weight attached to it.
>
> However, I have no control over these elements so I just seek to
understand
> how to prepare - and you guys have all been very helpful in that
regard.
> Thanks!
> Michael
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > *Anyways folks, do not let this stuff undermine your studies. Keep
your
> > head down and your confidence up.*
> > Well said, could not agree MORE.
> >
> > Some of you guys are freaking out for no reason. I see some
questions
> that
> > clearly shows that some of us have absolutely no confidence
whatsoever,
> How
> > should your employee trust your knowledge, if you don't?
> > What difference does it make if they give you 4 questions versus 5?
The
> big
> > question is, are you ready? Did you study properly? Which i am sure
we
> all
> > did, then, TRUST IS A MUST. gO THERE AND KICK a$$
> > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Anthony Sequeira <
> > asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> >
> >> This is an awesome post! Thanks for the clarification.
> >>
> >> How funny, you pass the Core Knowledge and fail the Lab portion,
you
> >> request a re-read, and the re-read you Core Knowledge. I would
> specifically
> >> NOT WANT THEM TO DO THAT.
> >>
> >> :-)
> >>
> >> Anyways folks, do not let this stuff undermine your studies. Keep
your
> >> head down and your confidence up.
> >>
> >> Warmest Regards,
> >>
> >> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
> >> Senior CCIE Instructor
> >>
> >> asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com
> >>
> >> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >> http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
<http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
<http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> >> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> >> Outside US: 775-826-4344
> >>
> >> I must be teaching, my iTunes is stopped!
> >>
> >> On Apr 17, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Josh Fleishman wrote:
> >>
> >> If you fail the short answer section Cisco deems the exam
ineligible for
> a
> >>> reread. It doesn't matter how you did on the lab portion.
Apparantly
> >>> they
> >>> have so much faith that their expected answers are the only
legitimate
> >>> answers and therefore a reread cannot result in changing your
score
> from
> >>> a
> >>> fail to a pass. You can however open a ticket to ensure your
answers
> >>> were
> >>> saved correctly and that you didn't fail due to technical glitch.
> >>>
> >>> Apparently if you fail the lab portion but pass the core knowledge
> >>> section
> >>> and you request a reread, the core knowledge section will also be
> reread.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, this does not seem to make a lot of sense. If the second
case
> >>> warrants
> >>> a reread of the core knowledge section, then why wouldn't a reread
of a
> >>> failed core knowledge section warrant one?
> >>>
> >>> My best advice to you is to get lucky, and receive 3 questions
that you
> >>> can
> >>> answer with answers they expect. I've noticed a lot of folks
feeling
> >>> like
> >>> they aced the core knowledge section but found out via their score
> report
> >>> that they failed. I haven't heard anyone say they didn't find at
least
> >>> three out of the four questions to be quite easy - even those who
> failed
> >>> the
> >>> section seem to agree.
> >>>
> >>> -Josh
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Larry Hadrava
<lhadrava_at_ipexpert.com
> >>> >wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thameem:
> >>>> I did not make the comments you are quoting. I believe that
Anthony
> and
> >>>> some
> >>>> others might have made those comments.
> >>>>
> >>>> However, I have looked into this and according to the Cisco
> >>>> certifications
> >>>> online support portal, there will be a reread of the open ended
> >>>> questions
> >>>> sections as well. However, you may not ask for a reread of just
the
> open
> >>>> ended questions.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
>
http://ciscocert.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ciscocert.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.
php?p
<http://ciscocert.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/ciscocert.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp
.php?p>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
>
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rect=
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
>
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sMzkm
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
>
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ZT0x&
> >>>> p_li=&p_topview=1
> >>>>
> >>>> Larry Hadrava
> >>>> CCIE #12203 CCNP CCNA
> >>>> Sr. Support Engineer IPexpert, Inc.
> >>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com <http://www.ipexpert.com/>
<http://www.ipexpert.com/> <
> http://www.ipexpert.com/> <
> >>>> http://www.ipexpert.com/>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Thameem Maranveetil Parambath <
> >>>> tparamba_at_thecontactcentre.ae> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> * The questions are manually graded by a proctor. If you purchase
an
> >>>>> exam
> >>>>> re-read, they will re-grade your question responses.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Larry, whats the meaning of the above statement then?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> May be cisco has re-thaughts on this section?
> >>>>> Also what i heard before was you have to score full in this
section
> for
> >>>>> Pass.. but now it is said that one question fail is OK for
passing?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Did i mistaken the replies?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Thameem
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> michael haynes <mghaynes_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>> Sent by: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
> >>>>> 17/04/2009 04:43 PM
> >>>>> Please respond to
> >>>>> michael haynes <mghaynes_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To
> >>>>> Larry <cc13lab_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>> cc
> >>>>> Anthony Sequeira <asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com>,
> >>>>> "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >>>>> Subject
> >>>>> Re: My 1st attempt is Friday...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I really appreciate all the comments about the questions.
Knowing
> the
> >>>>> process is half the battle against anxiety ;)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Michael
> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Larry <cc13lab_at_gmail.com>
wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anthony / All,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you fail the questions you do not get a regrade. They will
not
> even
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> give
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> you the option on your score report, unfortunately I know this
first
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> hand
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> * The questions are manually graded by a proctor. If you
purchase an
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> exam
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> re-read, they will re-grade your question responses.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 8:50 PM, Anthony Sequeira <
> >>>>>> asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Michael!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have reported you to Cisco for asking about these
questions!!!!!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> :-)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> They have been very open (no pun intended) about the rules
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> surrounding
> >>>>
> >>>>> these questions. Here is a list of some key ones for you...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> * You must complete this portion of the exam before you
start the
> >>>>>>> traditional configuration portion.
> >>>>>>> * You have a total of 30 minutes to complete this section,
you may
> >>>>>>> finish early if you like and immediately begin your
configuration
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> section.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> * You will receive 4 questions via the computer and you must
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> provide
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> short answers using the computer interface. The questions are
not
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> oral
> >>>>
> >>>>> in
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> nature. Typical responses require 4 to 5 words at most.
> >>>>>>> * Spelling and/or grammar does not count against you.
> >>>>>>> * The questions are manually graded by a proctor. If you
purchase
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> an
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> exam re-read, they will re-grade your question responses.
> >>>>>>> * You may not return to the short answer questions once you
have
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> begun
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> the configuration portion of the lab exam.
> >>>>>>> * You will not receive a score when you complete this
section, but
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> you
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> must pass this portion to pass the CCIE. You will receive your
score
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> in
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> open-ended section if you fail the exam. The score is reported
as
> 0%
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> or
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> 100%
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> (pass or fail). You may only miss one question in the section
in
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> order
> >>>>
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> pass.
> >>>>>>> * Most students finish the 4 to 5 questions in approximately
12
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> minutes.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> * The configuration portion of the exam has been reduced to
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> accommodate
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> this initial 30 minutes.
> >>>>>>> * You still have a total of 8 hours that makeup the
open-ended
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> questions
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> and the configuration portion.
> >>>>>>> * You may not access the DOC-CD to answer these questions.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think that list answers your questions, but if you are
concerned
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> about
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> anything else - let us know!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Warmest Regards,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
> >>>>>>> Senior CCIE Instructor
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> asequeira_at_internetworkexpert.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> >>>>>>>
http://www.InternetworkExpert.com <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
<http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> >>>>>>> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
> >>>>
> >>>>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Toll Free: 877-224-8987
> >>>>>>> Outside US: 775-826-4344
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Listening to "Underneath the Stars" by
> >>>>>>> The Cure from
> >>>>>>> 4:13 Dream
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Apr 16, 2009, at 12:17 PM, michael haynes wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm not sure how much I'm allowed to ask about the Core
questions,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> but
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> also feeling very anxious about this section even though my
lab
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> isn't
> >>>>
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> awhile still. When this section was first announced, I was
under
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> impression that the questions would be graded prior to
allowing the
> >>>>>>>> candidate to sit the lab portion - if you potentially are
writing
> an
> >>>>>>>> essay,
> >>>>>>>> what kind of delay does that give you between completing that
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> section
> >>>>
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> getting the go-ahead to start the lab...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> And if it's all graded at the end of the 8 hours, that seems
kind
> of
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> cruel
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> when you can fail all your marks by getting 2 core questions
wrong.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If anyone can elaborate without breaking NDA, I'd sure
appreciate
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> some
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> insight.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Michael
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Bryan Bartik <
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> bbartik_at_ipexpert.com>
> >>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I would not worry about being too brief. If the answer can
be
> said
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> in 3
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>>> 4
> >>>>>>>>> words, than that's all you need. I am only mentioning this
so you
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> don't
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> worry about having too short an answer. That being said, I
don't
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> think
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> would hurt to elaborate if possible.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Good luck,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Bryan Bartik
> >>>>>>>>> CCIE #23707, CCNP
> >>>>>>>>> Sr. Support Engineer - IPexpert, Inc.
> >>>>>>>>> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com <http://www.ipexpert.com/>
<http://www.ipexpert.com/> <
> http://www.ipexpert.com/> <
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.ipexpert.com/> <
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://www.ipexpert.com/> <
> >>>>
> >>>>> http://www.ipexpert.com/> <
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> http://www.ipexpert.com/>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Jonny English <
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> redkidneybeans_at_gmail.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> good luck man. 1st attempt, just don't have any expectations
and
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> don't
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> put
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> too much pressure on yourself.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> you will be fine.....
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 5:58 PM, Chris Kleban <
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Chris.Kleban_at_citrix.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Wish me luck.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I'm more nervous about the 30 minute open ended questions
then
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>
> >>>>> lab
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> work....
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Chris Kleban
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
<http://www.ccie.net/>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
>
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