From: Pavel Bykov (slidersv@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Mar 27 2009 - 05:24:30 ART
I wouldn't say the situation is that critical. Right now we are at the
point, when braindumps cannot simply just mention or ignore it anymore.
Cisco is taking steps, but so far it was too slow to respond. Exclusive VUE
testing, photograph, electornic signature... But these are completely
inefective, because these rules were not put in place everywhere. Or i'm not
sure what's the situation with that because there are VUE testing centers,
where taking picture and signing on a scanning pad is not required.
Open ended questions is one step. Sadikhov cleaning is another. Hopefully
more will follow soon.
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Piyoush Sharma <piyoush@gmail.com> wrote:
> Unfortunately, I know at least 3 new CCIE's (23xxx) who could not even
> configure something like BGP confed or understand/explain BGP peer groups
> that passed in 1st attempt. And I am not talking about perception or being
> able to learn quickly. I am talking about people who could not even pass
> CCNA if their life depended on it.
>
> My point being, seeing all these ppl with a logo after their name, kinda
> makes me feel sad and angry. Here we are spending months if not years trying
> to gain enough knowledge to get the coveted CCIE # and when you hear about
> such people, it just takes the enthusiasm out of trying to achieve that
> status.
>
> I almost gave up on my CCIE studies after hearing about few of these ppl.
> Some (and I am NOT exagerating here...) cannot even give you the OSPF LSA
> types and functions. The question would how well is Cisco's new open-ended
> questions faring... I would have to say Cisco FAILED in their *attempt* to
> root out even a small percentage of the cheaters out there..
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Thanks Pavel.
>>
>> What a lot of people won't understand is how much time and effort it has
>> taken to get Sadikhov.com to change.
>>
>> Most people want to lay the finger of blame and point. And many never
>> look
>> at their own mirror and they know the way to the bathroom.
>>
>> The Site Admin on Sadikhov wanted a Technical Forum from the start so I am
>> told. However, there are a lot of ideas as to what it "technical" and
>> what
>> steps over the line.
>>
>> You should live through my eyes.
>>
>> I've been asked, begged, pleaded, and reasoned with to return Sadikhov to
>> it's old "GLORY".
>>
>> The Site Admin made the choice, he did it alone, and he did not know if he
>> was going to have any support.
>>
>> Two other Admins and myself led that charge up that hill and we fought
>> vigorously every day and every night for about 5 Weeks to end that reign
>> on
>> Sadikhov.
>>
>> Today another such Forum call certcollection.org has been setup by a
>> former
>> disgrunteled moderator and another guy (maybe the same guy).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Pavel Bykov <slidersv@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Definitely.
>> > This is why I think what Darby does is great.
>> > Sure, it's a bit Don Kichote battle right now, but on Sadikhov there is
>> a
>> > proof of wrong doing black on white, right there. It's the first solid
>> > ground I've seen in years. A first stand of sorts.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Ahmed Ejaz <aahmedejaz@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > How would u feel if someone points a finger at your home and say you
>> way
>> > of
>> > > life is this and that? It is not good to say anything about anyone
>> > without
>> > > having a solid proof.
>> > >
>> > > Regards
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf
>> > Of
>> > > > itguy.pro@gmail.com
>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 3:55 PM
>> > > > To: Salah ElShekeil
>> > > > Cc: Andy Hogard; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > > Subject: Re: OT:Dumps are already out for open-ended questions!!
>> > > >
>> > > > Cisco's ASIAN mgmt... Someone is leaking the questions and more than
>> > > likely
>> > > > its from the asian centers, countries where cheating is a way of
>> life.
>> > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: Salah ElShekeil <salah.elshekeil@gmail.com>
>> > > >
>> > > > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:46:01
>> > > > To: <itguy.pro@gmail.com>
>> > > > Cc: Andy Hogard<andyhogard@gmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> > > > Subject: Re: OT:Dumps are already out for open-ended questions!!
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > they are a Cisco branch s what it the different between an Asian
>> and
>> > non
>> > > > Asian, all of them under Cisco management!!!!
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:42 PM, <itguy.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > Cisco should shut down its asian testing centers...imo.
>> > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > > From: Salah ElShekeil <salah.elshekeil@gmail.com>
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:33:12
>> > > > > To: Andy Hogard<andyhogard@gmail.com>
>> > > > > Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> > > > > Subject: Re: OT:Dumps are already out for open-ended questions!!
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Definitely there is someone in Cisco selling the questions!!!!!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > They must find him, not just adding extra headache on the
>> candidates,
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Andy Hogard <
>> andyhogard@gmail.com>
>> > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Yeah,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Its hard to believe but then I just came across some dumps for
>> the
>> > > > newly
>> > > > > > introduced open ended questions!! It really makes me think
>> twice,
>> > > about
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > integrity left and what cisco is trying to achieve for now might
>> > seem
>> > > > to
>> > > > > be
>> > > > > > a holly grail. Not only this, the dump site is also making tall
>> > > claims
>> > > > of
>> > > > > > updating the questions on a weekly basis. So point being amongst
>> > the
>> > > 10
>> > > > > > centers we have, there seems to be a compromised location ..eh?!
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I am pretty astounded over the developments. So whats the whole
>> > point
>> > > > of
>> > > > > > having the new, open ended question format.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > :'(
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Regards,
>> > > > > > Andy H.
>> > > > > >
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