From: John Wayne (john.wayne.ccie@gmail.com)
Date: Fri Mar 27 2009 - 07:57:11 ART
It's time for the community to take a step to police itself. There is no
other way that can be effective.
Cisco, Microsoft, and others even with a heavily vested financial interest
in the matter are virtually helpless and have been for over a decade.
The only way this can happen and happen effectively is with the force that
we, collectively, as a top tier of IT Professionals can actually lead the
charge and just say "NO!".
I am only 1 person. I raised the voice, I held up a flag, and I picked up
the sword and many other IT Professionals knew it was right and they lined
up to fight right alongside me.
That battle is now nearly won.
I was attacked personally for my efforts, and my identity (name, picture,
credentials) were "mocked and stolen" and as a result, I struck back there
as well - legally - and as of today that site (certcollection.org) is now
down for the second day of "maintenance".
There are somewhere between 10,000 - 100,000+ registered members of
Groupstudy.com and I'll bet you if even but a few put their names and
reputations on the line in this war to save our profession, then it won't
take long.
We Will Win.
It gets ugly but it is not impossible.
Surely there are more people here than just Pavel and myself.
Others? Collectively we should be the tip of the spear in this fight. I'm
not naive and I know some of this number will be shaking their heads and
saying... "Darby you are crazy, it just can't be undone that easy!" and I
was told very nearly that about Sadikhov.com and not even two months later
Sadikhov.com is seeing a brighter day and is well on its way to being the
"Technical Knowledge-Sharing Forum" it always wanted to be. The Site Admin
and Owner cared enough to risk financial loss to make it so. And now it is
coming to pass.
If there is anyone who does not believe this is a history breaking event on
the Internet - let them speak now. Because it is coming. I'm not saying
piracy and cheating exams will go away 100% - I am saying it will not be the
norm and will not be the rule rather than the exception.
And if you don't stand for this type of movement, what will you stand for.
This is a revolution. A global revolution.
Definition of Revolution: A fundamental change in power or organizational
structure.
Anyone else up to the challenge at hand?
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Pavel Bykov <slidersv@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wouldn't say the situation is that critical. Right now we are at the
> point, when braindumps cannot simply just mention or ignore it anymore.
> Cisco is taking steps, but so far it was too slow to respond. Exclusive VUE
> testing, photograph, electornic signature... But these are completely
> inefective, because these rules were not put in place everywhere. Or i'm
> not
> sure what's the situation with that because there are VUE testing centers,
> where taking picture and signing on a scanning pad is not required.
>
> Open ended questions is one step. Sadikhov cleaning is another. Hopefully
> more will follow soon.
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Piyoush Sharma <piyoush@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Unfortunately, I know at least 3 new CCIE's (23xxx) who could not even
> > configure something like BGP confed or understand/explain BGP peer groups
> > that passed in 1st attempt. And I am not talking about perception or
> being
> > able to learn quickly. I am talking about people who could not even pass
> > CCNA if their life depended on it.
> >
> > My point being, seeing all these ppl with a logo after their name, kinda
> > makes me feel sad and angry. Here we are spending months if not years
> trying
> > to gain enough knowledge to get the coveted CCIE # and when you hear
> about
> > such people, it just takes the enthusiasm out of trying to achieve that
> > status.
> >
> > I almost gave up on my CCIE studies after hearing about few of these ppl.
> > Some (and I am NOT exagerating here...) cannot even give you the OSPF LSA
> > types and functions. The question would how well is Cisco's new
> open-ended
> > questions faring... I would have to say Cisco FAILED in their *attempt*
> to
> > root out even a small percentage of the cheaters out there..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Pavel.
> >>
> >> What a lot of people won't understand is how much time and effort it has
> >> taken to get Sadikhov.com to change.
> >>
> >> Most people want to lay the finger of blame and point. And many never
> >> look
> >> at their own mirror and they know the way to the bathroom.
> >>
> >> The Site Admin on Sadikhov wanted a Technical Forum from the start so I
> am
> >> told. However, there are a lot of ideas as to what it "technical" and
> >> what
> >> steps over the line.
> >>
> >> You should live through my eyes.
> >>
> >> I've been asked, begged, pleaded, and reasoned with to return Sadikhov
> to
> >> it's old "GLORY".
> >>
> >> The Site Admin made the choice, he did it alone, and he did not know if
> he
> >> was going to have any support.
> >>
> >> Two other Admins and myself led that charge up that hill and we fought
> >> vigorously every day and every night for about 5 Weeks to end that reign
> >> on
> >> Sadikhov.
> >>
> >> Today another such Forum call certcollection.org has been setup by a
> >> former
> >> disgrunteled moderator and another guy (maybe the same guy).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Pavel Bykov <slidersv@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Definitely.
> >> > This is why I think what Darby does is great.
> >> > Sure, it's a bit Don Kichote battle right now, but on Sadikhov there
> is
> >> a
> >> > proof of wrong doing black on white, right there. It's the first solid
> >> > ground I've seen in years. A first stand of sorts.
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Ahmed Ejaz <aahmedejaz@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > How would u feel if someone points a finger at your home and say you
> >> way
> >> > of
> >> > > life is this and that? It is not good to say anything about anyone
> >> > without
> >> > > having a solid proof.
> >> > >
> >> > > Regards
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
> >> Behalf
> >> > Of
> >> > > > itguy.pro@gmail.com
> >> > > > Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 3:55 PM
> >> > > > To: Salah ElShekeil
> >> > > > Cc: Andy Hogard; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> > > > Subject: Re: OT:Dumps are already out for open-ended questions!!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Cisco's ASIAN mgmt... Someone is leaking the questions and more
> than
> >> > > likely
> >> > > > its from the asian centers, countries where cheating is a way of
> >> life.
> >> > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >> > > >
> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > From: Salah ElShekeil <salah.elshekeil@gmail.com>
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:46:01
> >> > > > To: <itguy.pro@gmail.com>
> >> > > > Cc: Andy Hogard<andyhogard@gmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> > > > Subject: Re: OT:Dumps are already out for open-ended questions!!
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > they are a Cisco branch s what it the different between an Asian
> >> and
> >> > non
> >> > > > Asian, all of them under Cisco management!!!!
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:42 PM, <itguy.pro@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Cisco should shut down its asian testing centers...imo.
> >> > > > > Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > > From: Salah ElShekeil <salah.elshekeil@gmail.com>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:33:12
> >> > > > > To: Andy Hogard<andyhogard@gmail.com>
> >> > > > > Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> > > > > Subject: Re: OT:Dumps are already out for open-ended questions!!
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Definitely there is someone in Cisco selling the questions!!!!!
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > They must find him, not just adding extra headache on the
> >> candidates,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Andy Hogard <
> >> andyhogard@gmail.com>
> >> > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > > Yeah,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Its hard to believe but then I just came across some dumps for
> >> the
> >> > > > newly
> >> > > > > > introduced open ended questions!! It really makes me think
> >> twice,
> >> > > about
> >> > > > > the
> >> > > > > > integrity left and what cisco is trying to achieve for now
> might
> >> > seem
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > > be
> >> > > > > > a holly grail. Not only this, the dump site is also making
> tall
> >> > > claims
> >> > > > of
> >> > > > > > updating the questions on a weekly basis. So point being
> amongst
> >> > the
> >> > > 10
> >> > > > > > centers we have, there seems to be a compromised location
> ..eh?!
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > I am pretty astounded over the developments. So whats the
> whole
> >> > point
> >> > > > of
> >> > > > > > having the new, open ended question format.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > :'(
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Regards,
> >> > > > > > Andy H.
> >> > > > > >
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