From: Pavel Bykov (slidersv@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Jan 25 2009 - 04:37:42 ARST
Darby, this thread is not a court hearing and will not make any impact on
the state of certifications.
It was never a question of having or not having proof, it was always a
question of business and money.
There are thousands of brain dump providers, since it's a quick buck, and it
shows.
All I'm trying to do is to encourage good personal conduct.
You can't say you don't know what I am talking about, every body experienced
in the industry does.
But all we have right now is ourselves. All incriminating material in the
world would not be enough to stop braindumps right now. It's just not the
time. Like that protest of students in China... When the bad have tanks and
your best weapon is the guy with a grocerie bag, you'll end up lost in
history and remain in memories of very few.
On a last sad note,
I remember times, when CCNA would lend you job automatically and CCNP would
raise your pay significantly. Not anymore. Look what actualexams is posting:
"*1. Are you expecting too much?
*People have lots of expectations about IT certification exams. Some of them
are appropriate while many of them not. For e.g. if you believe that the
certification itself 'will give you a job' then you are wrong. An IT
certification exam like MCSE, MCITP or CCNA, may 'help you get a job' but it
alone can't give you a job.
Working professionals also expects huge raises on taking the certification
exam. When they go to their boss or their organization, they get
disappointed. A certification can definitely help you gain job stability or
rise in career but don't expect too much. It also depends upon the
organization you are working for."
And who does P4S look for as their next employee? Quote from their careers
section:
"*candidates* with good memory and you can dump questions in good formats"
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pavel,
>
> What Narbik is saying is a fair statement:
>
> 1. Who is going to confirm or deny that these items truly contain actual
> exam content? - The person who does this would have been to the exam and
> thus would have violated by exam agrement in doing so by the very act
> itself.
>
> Cisco won't confirm or deny. What gives any of us the right to do so -
> without violating our own NDA?
>
> 2. Any given candidate who is going to take any given exam will never know
> what is going to be on the exam. Never. Cisco might change the entire exam
> bank on any given day and who could say for certain if they do or do not do
> this?
>
> 3. The idea of presuming guilt is by itself not fair to any given
> candidate.
>
> 4. The person who can definately confirm any "illicit materials" and the
> exam content - has probably violated his/her NDA....
>
> Pavel do we know anyone who has done this?
>
> Even the Certguard folks won't confirm that they have taken an exam and
> read the "dumps" for obvious reasons.
>
> To be honest unless a person uses those materials and takes an exam that
> has similar or the same questions - how would any know for sure? Beyond a
> reasonable doubt?
>
> Hmmmm.....
>
> The minute a person get a wild hair and confirms any such suspicion then
> that person has probably stepped over the line and by the outline of what
> does constitute an NDA violaton... has just done so....
>
> Are you doing this now?
>
> And as far as P4S or TK or anyone else....
>
> How do they know the content on your exam....
>
> Who are their experts... by name and nationality please..
>
> Do you believe everything on the Internet?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 1/23/09, Pavel Bykov <slidersv@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Narbik, here it is:
>>
>> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/downloads/Cisco-Career-Certifications-and-C
>> onfidentiality-Agreement_v12.pdf
>>
>> Section 4.1
>>
>> Disseminating actual exam content by any means, including, but not limited
>> to, web
>> postings, formal or informal test preparation or discussion groups, chat
>> rooms,
>> reconstruction through memorization, study guides, or any other method.
>> Seeking and/or obtaining unauthorized access to examination materials.
>>
>>
>> The section "Seeking and/or obtaining unauthorized access to examination
>> materials" could refers directly to tk/p4s providers, since they do
>> actually
>> have exact copies of examination materials - in intellectual property
>> sense.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Could you tell me where in Cisco NDA states that P4S or TK should NOT be
>> > used. Besides when some one is studying based on P4S has not seen the
>> test
>> > yet, so how would he/she know that? I am not saying its the best thing
>> to
>> > do, but just wondering.....
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Pavel Bykov <slidersv@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> WOW... WTF?! Pass4sure? are you kidding?
>> >> No need for cheating advice here.
>> >> Noone go to p4s/tk/etc unless they want to cheat. Only loosers do that.
>> >>
>> >> Besides, by knowingly using material from these sites you are in breach
>> of
>> >> Cisco contract which you sign every single time before the test
>> >> (digitally).
>> >> Right there it says that if you have seen NDA content, including exam
>> >> questions, you are in breach of contract and actions will be taken
>> (like
>> >> suspension, ban, ban+suspension).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Scott Ralph <scottralph@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Pass 4 sure has a good exam engine that follows the v3 CCIE written
>> as
>> >> > opposed to alot of others that still have wireless, PQ, and other
>> things
>> >> > not
>> >> > in the examnow.
>> >> >
>> >> > Scott
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Anthony Sequeira <
>> >> > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > I helped write the Exam Simulations at Netmaster Class - it is the
>> >> only
>> >> > > product sold a la carte still outside of Cisco 360. Students still
>> >> like
>> >> > it,
>> >> > > especially the more information feature.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > If MPLS is your primary concern - search Google using
>> >> site:cisco.comMPLS
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The first couple of links will give you a great start. Then do a
>> >> similar
>> >> > > search looking for MPLS VPNs.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Also - if you want a quick refresh on the other topics - I have a
>> >> Cisco
>> >> > > Press Quick Reference Guide for the written that is well reviewed.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Hey - before I get flamed, I am not on a royalty basis for either
>> of
>> >> my
>> >> > > products mentioned above. :-)
>> >> > >
>> >> > > One final note - you can expect about 6 to 7 questions out of 105
>> on
>> >> > MPLS,
>> >> > > so be sure to study with that in mind.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
>> >> > > Senior CCIE Instructor
>> >> > >
>> >> > > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>> >> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com<
>> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
>> >> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>> >> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>> >> > > Outside US: 775-826-4344
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On Jan 22, 2009, at 10:05 AM, <mihai.grigore@onlinehome.de> <
>> >> > > mihai.grigore@onlinehome.de> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Hi experts,
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I need to re-take the CCIE Written quickly. What book would you
>> >> suggest
>> >> > to
>> >> > >> refresh the things?
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Would this one be any good?
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> CCIE Routing and Switching Exam Certification Guide (3rd
>> Edition) by
>> >> > >> Wendel/Healy/Mehta:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/CCIE-Routing-Switching-Certification-Guide/dp/158720196
>> 8/ref=sr_11_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1232635945&sr=11-1
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I have read and it has some mixed reviews.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> I am interested in the MPLS part.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> TIA, Mihai
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >>
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>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Scott Ralph
>> >> >
>> >> >
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>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Pavel Bykov
>> >> ----------------
>> >> Don't forget to help stopping the braindumps, use of which reduces
>> value
>> >> of
>> >> your certifications. Sign the petition at
>> http://www.stopbraindumps.com/
>> >>
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>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Narbik Kocharians
>> > CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>> > www.MicronicsTraining.com
>> > www.Net-Workbooks.com
>> > Sr. Technical Instructor
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Pavel Bykov
>> ----------------
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>> of
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