From: Narbik Kocharians (narbikk@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Jan 25 2009 - 06:38:06 ARST
Guys people that know their stuff are still in high and i mean in a very
high demand. P4S and TK all this stuff is a big BS. If you know what you are
talking about, you are in high demand.
On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Pavel Bykov <slidersv@gmail.com> wrote:
> Darby, this thread is not a court hearing and will not make any impact on
> the state of certifications.
> It was never a question of having or not having proof, it was always a
> question of business and money.
> There are thousands of brain dump providers, since it's a quick buck, and
> it shows.
>
>
>
> All I'm trying to do is to encourage good personal conduct.
> You can't say you don't know what I am talking about, every body
> experienced in the industry does.
> But all we have right now is ourselves. All incriminating material in the
> world would not be enough to stop braindumps right now. It's just not the
> time. Like that protest of students in China... When the bad have tanks and
> your best weapon is the guy with a grocerie bag, you'll end up lost in
> history and remain in memories of very few.
>
>
>
> On a last sad note,
>
> I remember times, when CCNA would lend you job automatically and CCNP would
> raise your pay significantly. Not anymore. Look what actualexams is posting:
> "*1. Are you expecting too much?
> *People have lots of expectations about IT certification exams. Some of
> them are appropriate while many of them not. For e.g. if you believe that
> the certification itself 'will give you a job' then you are wrong. An IT
> certification exam like MCSE, MCITP or CCNA, may 'help you get a job' but it
> alone can't give you a job.
>
> Working professionals also expects huge raises on taking the certification
> exam. When they go to their boss or their organization, they get
> disappointed. A certification can definitely help you gain job stability or
> rise in career but don't expect too much. It also depends upon the
> organization you are working for."
>
>
> And who does P4S look for as their next employee? Quote from their careers
> section:
> "*candidates* with good memory and you can dump questions in good formats"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Pavel,
>>
>> What Narbik is saying is a fair statement:
>>
>> 1. Who is going to confirm or deny that these items truly contain actual
>> exam content? - The person who does this would have been to the exam and
>> thus would have violated by exam agrement in doing so by the very act
>> itself.
>>
>> Cisco won't confirm or deny. What gives any of us the right to do so -
>> without violating our own NDA?
>>
>> 2. Any given candidate who is going to take any given exam will never know
>> what is going to be on the exam. Never. Cisco might change the entire exam
>> bank on any given day and who could say for certain if they do or do not do
>> this?
>>
>> 3. The idea of presuming guilt is by itself not fair to any given
>> candidate.
>>
>> 4. The person who can definately confirm any "illicit materials" and the
>> exam content - has probably violated his/her NDA....
>>
>> Pavel do we know anyone who has done this?
>>
>> Even the Certguard folks won't confirm that they have taken an exam and
>> read the "dumps" for obvious reasons.
>>
>> To be honest unless a person uses those materials and takes an exam that
>> has similar or the same questions - how would any know for sure? Beyond a
>> reasonable doubt?
>>
>> Hmmmm.....
>>
>> The minute a person get a wild hair and confirms any such suspicion then
>> that person has probably stepped over the line and by the outline of what
>> does constitute an NDA violaton... has just done so....
>>
>> Are you doing this now?
>>
>> And as far as P4S or TK or anyone else....
>>
>> How do they know the content on your exam....
>>
>> Who are their experts... by name and nationality please..
>>
>> Do you believe everything on the Internet?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/23/09, Pavel Bykov <slidersv@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Narbik, here it is:
>>>
>>> http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/downloads/Cisco-Career-Certifications-and-C
>>> onfidentiality-Agreement_v12.pdf
>>>
>>> Section 4.1
>>>
>>> Disseminating actual exam content by any means, including, but not
>>> limited
>>> to, web
>>> postings, formal or informal test preparation or discussion groups, chat
>>> rooms,
>>> reconstruction through memorization, study guides, or any other method.
>>> Seeking and/or obtaining unauthorized access to examination materials.
>>>
>>>
>>> The section "Seeking and/or obtaining unauthorized access to examination
>>> materials" could refers directly to tk/p4s providers, since they do
>>> actually
>>> have exact copies of examination materials - in intellectual property
>>> sense.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk@gmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > Could you tell me where in Cisco NDA states that P4S or TK should NOT
>>> be
>>> > used. Besides when some one is studying based on P4S has not seen the
>>> test
>>> > yet, so how would he/she know that? I am not saying its the best thing
>>> to
>>> > do, but just wondering.....
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Pavel Bykov <slidersv@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> WOW... WTF?! Pass4sure? are you kidding?
>>> >> No need for cheating advice here.
>>> >> Noone go to p4s/tk/etc unless they want to cheat. Only loosers do
>>> that.
>>> >>
>>> >> Besides, by knowingly using material from these sites you are in
>>> breach of
>>> >> Cisco contract which you sign every single time before the test
>>> >> (digitally).
>>> >> Right there it says that if you have seen NDA content, including exam
>>> >> questions, you are in breach of contract and actions will be taken
>>> (like
>>> >> suspension, ban, ban+suspension).
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Scott Ralph <scottralph@gmail.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > Pass 4 sure has a good exam engine that follows the v3 CCIE written
>>> as
>>> >> > opposed to alot of others that still have wireless, PQ, and other
>>> things
>>> >> > not
>>> >> > in the examnow.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Scott
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Anthony Sequeira <
>>> >> > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > > I helped write the Exam Simulations at Netmaster Class - it is
>>> the
>>> >> only
>>> >> > > product sold a la carte still outside of Cisco 360. Students still
>>> >> like
>>> >> > it,
>>> >> > > especially the more information feature.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > If MPLS is your primary concern - search Google using
>>> >> site:cisco.comMPLS
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > The first couple of links will give you a great start. Then do a
>>> >> similar
>>> >> > > search looking for MPLS VPNs.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Also - if you want a quick refresh on the other topics - I have a
>>> >> Cisco
>>> >> > > Press Quick Reference Guide for the written that is well reviewed.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Hey - before I get flamed, I am not on a royalty basis for either
>>> of
>>> >> my
>>> >> > > products mentioned above. :-)
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > One final note - you can expect about 6 to 7 questions out of 105
>>> on
>>> >> > MPLS,
>>> >> > > so be sure to study with that in mind.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Anthony J. Sequeira, CCIE #15626, CCSI #23251
>>> >> > > Senior CCIE Instructor
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > asequeira@internetworkexpert.com
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
>>> >> > > http://www.InternetworkExpert.com
>>> <http://www.internetworkexpert.com/><
>>> >> http://www.internetworkexpert.com/>
>>> >> > > Toll Free: 877-224-8987
>>> >> > > Outside US: 775-826-4344
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > On Jan 22, 2009, at 10:05 AM, <mihai.grigore@onlinehome.de> <
>>> >> > > mihai.grigore@onlinehome.de> wrote:
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Hi experts,
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> I need to re-take the CCIE Written quickly. What book would you
>>> >> suggest
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > >> refresh the things?
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> Would this one be any good?
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> CCIE Routing and Switching Exam Certification Guide (3rd
>>> Edition) by
>>> >> > >> Wendel/Healy/Mehta:
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/CCIE-Routing-Switching-Certification-Guide/dp/158720196
>>> 8/ref=sr_11_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1232635945&sr=11-1
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> I have read and it has some mixed reviews.
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> I am interested in the MPLS part.
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> TIA, Mihai
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >>
>>> >>
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>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >> > Scott Ralph
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
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>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Pavel Bykov
>>> >> ----------------
>>> >> Don't forget to help stopping the braindumps, use of which reduces
>>> value
>>> >> of
>>> >> your certifications. Sign the petition at
>>> http://www.stopbraindumps.com/
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>> >>
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Narbik Kocharians
>>> > CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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>>> > www.Net-Workbooks.com <http://www.net-workbooks.com/>
>>> > Sr. Technical Instructor
>>> >
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Pavel Bykov
>>> ----------------
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>>> of
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>>
>
>
> --
> Pavel Bykov
> ----------------
> Don't forget to help stopping the braindumps, use of which reduces value of
> your certifications. Sign the petition at http://www.stopbraindumps.com/
>
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