From: Joseph Brunner (joe@affirmedsystems.com)
Date: Mon Jan 19 2009 - 08:24:19 ARST
Yup great... I'm just saying I have been to the lab with persons who could
not answer those questions in English... period.
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Pavel Bykov
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 4:56 AM
To: Joseph Brunner
Cc: Darby Weaver; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Darby's CCIE Interview Guestimates:
Joseph,
- IOS is in English
- Technologes are described in english - Most acronyms are made up in
English, and then "translated", often very poorly into other languages
- Most technologies used today were created by English speakers
- De facto world language is English
- It's multicultural with English interconnecting them
- Proof? GS is in English
As a non-native English speaker, I can say that if you understand
technologies, you will be able to answer questions. We are not being
compared to Tolstoy. It doesn't matter if you can't say etherchannel.
You'll be able to understand "Etherchannel".
With almost a billion english speakers, your analogy to gaalic and other
languages used by 10 people is irrelevant.
With English, The playing level was more or less equal. Everyone had to
learn it and everyone has got pretty much same handicap. That's why I didn't
like the news, that they ask questions in Chinese in China.
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Joseph Brunner
<joe@affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
> This is absolutely ridiculous.... I took the lab multiple times with
> engineers who could barely speak English...
>
> How in the world can Cisco do this??? Does Howard speak 118 languages
(does
> he have the time to learn them all?) Or does this just mean non-fluent
> English speakers FAIL the lab now... This would not be fair as I work with
> several people from other countries I still CANT FULLY speak to regarding
> the technologies or they would not understand me... ENGLISH is that
hard...
>
> I have given a person an interview for a job that was a multi-ccie. He
> could
> not say "etherchannel". Interestingly enough, a Cisco employee from
Belgium
> after the lab one time also didn't speak English very well.
>
> This is a really bad idea considering the multi-cultural atmosphere in the
> world today... I think a better way to root out fakers would be an intense
> troubleshooting part of the lab, preferably at the end where you fix 10
> issues plaguing a simulated real network (that you can reach after you
> "close" your main rack you work on all day). Of course once you close your
> rack you can't go back and work on it some more, so it would definitely be
> a
> 3 hour separate part at the end...
>
> Maybe some JNCIE's can shed some light on how they do the troubleshooting
> part- (or is it a 2-day lab??) I remember reading the JNCIE pages and them
> discussing "troubleshooting a live network"
>
> -Joe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:39 PM
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Darby's CCIE Interview Guestimates:
>
> One online-buddy of mine from the UK said this:
>
> "I personally think it's hilarious, this is one of the premier
> certifications in the I.T industry and I find it amazing that prospective
> candidates are being spooked at the thought of answering a few questions
> about a product/platform that they should be intimate with at this stage."
>
> "And I could not agree with him more... and trust me we've had our
> differences."
>
> Are these questions as we used to (multi-choices) or direct questions and
> you have to answer by writing & explaining ?
>
> My reply:
>
> By "open-ended" They will be questions we have to write and explain the
> details of the technology or even explain how given a certain scenario.
> No
> multiple-choice on this one.
>
>
> Open-ended question might be something like:
>
> 1. Explain how Arp works?
>
> 2. Explain how spanning-tree works given this scenario based on this
> topology after this physical topology change. (I'd advise referring to the
> Cisco Press CCIE Exam Guide 3rd Edition for this)
>
> 3. Explain the Diffusing Updae Algorithm.
>
> 4. Explain Unequal-Cost Load Balancing.
>
> 5. Explain Poison Reverse.
>
> 6. Explain how Split-horizon works.
>
> 7. Explain inverse-arp.
>
> 8. Explain how a OSPF determines whether an area is transit.
>
> 9. Explain how peer groups work in BGP.
>
> 10. Explain how FRTS is determined based on a given set of criteria.
>
> 12. Explain how LLQ works and compare it to Priority Queueing and
> Class-Based Weighted Fair Queueing.
>
> 13. Explain how BGP Synchronization works.
>
> 14. Explain how redistribution works.
>
> 15. Explain how ip forward-protocol works.
>
> 16. Explain how NTP peers work.
>
> 17. Explain the states that BGP uses to determine the best path?
>
> 18. Explain the states that HSRP uses.
>
> 19. How does a router determine which route is better? And if we give you
> this scenario? Explain, please.
>
> 20. How does a route-map work?
>
> 21. How does a distribute-list work?
>
> 22. How does a summary-address work? What will the routing table look like
> 2
> routers away?
>
> 23. Give some examples of how we might use a loopback address.
>
> 24. How does NAT work and if we give you this scenario, explain in detail
> please.
>
> 25. Compare and VRRP and HSRP and explain why one might be chosen over the
> other under a given set of circumstances.
>
> 26. Which is the preferred route, iBGP or eBGP, why?
>
> 27. Explain how Next-hop-Self works?
>
> 28. Explain why we might use a loopback address instead of a physical
> interface in BGP?
>
>
>
> This was a few of my questions I thought if it were me I might think up on
> the fly. However, Cisco has had a seasoned team of very talented
> engineers,. program directors, and test designers spend months if not
years
> working on this and I'm sure all of them outrank my knowledge by
> comparison. So be prepared.
>
> In general, I'd expect that none of the questions (5 if the rumors are
> correct) would stump a CCIE Candidate who passed the CCIE Written and who
> also spent at least 500 hours preparing for the CCIE Lab.
>
> Now from my experience, and I've got a lot of experience with written
exams
> from Cisco, Cisco typically expects us as CCIE Candidates to be able to
> successfully read, analyze, and select the correct answer at least 65-80%
> of
> the time in most Multiple-Choice exams. Fair enough. Now we are going to
> get about 10-12 or even 15 minutes to complete about 5 questions which may
> constitute up to 5% of of our score on the CCIE Lab or 5 points.
>
> So either the questions are going to be about 3x more difficult that a
> typical CCIE Written exam or they are going to give us approximately 3
> minutes to read the "open-ended question" and close the gap on each of
> those
> questions and answer at least 4 of 5 of them successfully. Or perhaps we
> will have succeeded in failing our lab exam despite the fact we know how
to
> type our commands correctly either through knowledge, experience,
> brute-force, or sheer memorization, etc. nonetheless we will have probably
> not passed that lab exam this time around if any of the rumors circulating
> regarding this are true.
>
> If they are false, then these 5 points might be weighted about the same as
> any other section in the exam, however since no one has been to the exam
as
> of yet to see these questions, then no one can really say for sure.
>
> There was talk of a verbal review. Somewhere along the way I read on
> Cisco's QA this got cleared up and now it seems it will be a
computer-based
> writing drill as opposed to a face to face look a proctor or multiple
> proctors in the eye kind of thing. I recall Howard saying that one of the
> reasons that the face to face review was dropped from the lab in the first
> place was because so many candidates were very passionate and very
> unpredictable emotionally when receiving bad news or something to that
> effect. Hey, in the USA we have shooting sprees for less. Just joking
> here... no one needs to take up one's bad or lack of study habits with any
> proctor. Nope, they don't fool with your configs at lunchtime either.
>
> Disclaimer: This is just a humble opinion on what to expect and as you can
> see it is non-vendor biased. From my experience, all vendors usually
cover
> most of this if not all of it somewhere between Network+/CCNA to the CCIE
> level of instruction.
>
> Overall, I'd say the best reference for these type of questions might
start
> with:
>
> Internetworking Technologies by Cisco Press
>
> It might sound simple but I think a lot of people overlook this reference.
>
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