From: Marko Milivojevic (markom@markom.info)
Date: Mon Jan 19 2009 - 07:59:49 ARST
What's the big deal. You go to http://ciscocert.custhelp.com/, log-in
and open the case.
There is no contract between anyone and Cisco in which it states that
you need to be happy about their logos in order to keep your
certification.
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 09:52, Piyoush Sharma <piyoush@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well in that case... the question is.. how many CCIE's are bold enough to
> embark on this endeavor... I wish I had my CCIE# I would join up in a heart
> beat... hell I might open a case just for the heck of it to protest... but
> any such move would require the support of the big guns here,,,
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:49 AM, Marko Milivojevic <markom@markom.info>
> wrote:
>>
>> I completely agree! Anyone who disagrees, should open a support case
>> to ask for an old logo to remain official!
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 09:36, Alexei Monastyrnyi <alexeim73@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > that would work probably.. shall we go for it? :-)
>> >
>> > A.
>> >
>> >
>> > Piyoush Sharma wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I wonder if it would make a difference if every CCIE were to open a
>> >> support
>> >> ticket asking Cisco to get rid of the new logo...
>> >> IMO even if 9-10k tickets open up, it should get somebody's
>> >> attention....
>> >>
>> >> For some reason this has affected how I perceive the CCIE
>> >> certification. I
>> >> am not sure if the new logo is worth all the pain, suffering and
>> >> sleepless
>> >> nights counting configs and OSPF timers in bed.
>> >> Do not get me wrong, I know the value comes with knowledge and this is
>> >> a
>> >> validation as such, however, I cannot help but ponder if Cisco has
>> >> shirked
>> >> their moral responsibility by making a change such as this without
>> >> proper
>> >> feedback and/or comments from the people it would affect the most. If
>> >> the
>> >> entire community sends a message to Cisco, it would have an impact.
>> >> If people show up at the Networkers wearing old CCIE logos, and not new
>> >> ones.. every last one of them... that would send a pretty strong
>> >> message...
>> >>
>> >> Cisco might own the trademark, but we (particularly CCIE's..) EARN
>> >> IT!!!
>> >>
>> >> Just something to think about.
>> >>
>> >> -Piyoush
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Scott Morris <
>> >> smorris@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> hehhehe Do you really think that people did NOT mention the concept
>> >>> of
>> >>> keeping the old one? :)
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> From: Darby Weaver [mailto:ccie.weaver@gmail.com]
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:47 PM
>> >>> To: Scott Morris
>> >>> Cc: Marko Milivojevic; swm@emanon.com; Scott M Vermillion; Yandy
>> >>> Ramirez;
>> >>> Andrew Larkins; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> >>> Subject: Re: New CCIE logo
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hey if you really dislike the logo...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Do not download it. If some 20,000 people refuse to acknowledge its
>> >>> legitimacy then it will not last very long.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> To be fair to Cisco they did offer a survey offering at least two type
>> >>> of
>> >>> logos. Maybe someone should have recommended keeping the old one.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> However, since there are so many tracks now this will serve to benifit
>> >>> those
>> >>> wil specialty tracks and multiple CCIE's the most.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> And it will likely affect the majoroty of CCIE's in the other
>> >>> direction,
>> >>> since a little bit of the halo "one logo fits all" aspect may be
>> >>> diminished
>> >>> a bit. Kind of like being just an MCSE versus being an MCSE+Security
>> >>> or
>> >>> MCSE+Messaging back in the day or a CNE versus a Master CNE, etc.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Don't feel bad employers are already asking for a CCNA or a CCIE to
>> >>> fill
>> >>> positions with. Now the logos for everyone will make this even more
>> >>> likely
>> >>> since the logos kind of look alike. How's HR to know the difference,
>> >>> who
>> >>> keeps track of these things anyway?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 1/18/09, Scott Morris <smorris@internetworkexpert.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> They likely are. Or someone will forward it on. Whether it makes a
>> >>> difference or not is another story.
>> >>>
>> >>> Or whether it gets forwarded high enough up the chain, I'm not sure.
>> >>> There
>> >>> are a lot of things that can be changed in the world with grassroots
>> >>> movements... perhaps this could be one of them? :)
>> >>>
>> >>> Scott
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>> From: markom@gmail.com [mailto:markom@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Marko
>> >>> Milivojevic
>> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:01 PM
>> >>> To: swm@emanon.com
>> >>> Cc: Scott Morris; Scott M Vermillion; Yandy Ramirez; Andrew Larkins;
>> >>> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> >>> Subject: Re: New CCIE logo
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 23:47, Scott Morris <swm@emanon.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Just promise me you won't open up a cert support ticket about it! :)
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Ah, you see! That's a bloody good idea! If I do that, the whole new
>> >>> thing may collapse and they may be forced to roll back.
>> >>>
>> >>> Btw. new logos, suck on so many levels. Did you notice that there is
>> >>> no vector version any longer? We're stuck with 3 sizes, which look
>> >>> disgusting at best when printed out. Not to mention that there is no
>> >>> official B&W version.
>> >>>
>> >>> What a sloppy work, I can't believe it. What the hell is wrong with
>> >>> what once was the greatest certification program? Sure, I hold some
>> >>> grudge about failing CCDE, but really, this is nonsense.
>> >>>
>> >>> And yeah, I hope they are reading.
>> >>>
>> >>>
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