From: Farrukh Haroon (farrukhharoon@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Nov 23 2008 - 08:03:39 ARST
We are talking about averages here not the extremes :)
Your figure about those exceptional salaries are correct AFAIK.
Do you really think four dumps are worth 16K? (If the guy gave the composite
paper then just 3 dumps lolz).
It depends on your experience/other certications/contacts/luck/interview day
and sometimes even anguage skills (Arabic) and the grace of God.
Regards
Farrukh
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 1:00 PM, Mithun Bhat <fourthdan@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know if you mean I'm getting wrong information, because I can
> assure you my information on the 16k jobs for CCNP is 100% accurate :) Which
> leads me to ask myself: why would someone who is at CCNP level do a CCIE if
> he's just going to get 5-6k salary increase?
>
> Anyways I have known CCIE's here to get salaries of 35-40k. I think it's
> the CCIE's working for cisco who manage 50-60k AED / month too.
>
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Farrukh Haroon <
> farrukhharoon@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So it means your getting your information from the wrong sources then :)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Mithun Bhat <fourthdan@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> As far as i know the salary for a normal network engineer CCNP level is
>>> 16k AED in dubai / UAE.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Muhammad Nasim <
>>> muhammad.nasim@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> let say X person is getting 108,000 US& per year that would be 9
>>>> thousand US $ per month
>>>>
>>>> 1 USD = 3.6710
>>>>
>>>> 9,000 $ = 33,039 aed
>>>>
>>>> This 33 or 34 is a very very good figure . I should say exceptional now
>>>> a days as the CCIE numbers are growing.
>>>>
>>>> 21K and 22 K (AED) is an average salary per month. Which is also
>>>> difficult to find.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Based on the number of years the salry can be 50K AED BUT it is true for
>>>> more then 10, Years of expereicen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hope cleared it out ; 0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2008/11/23 Mithun Bhat <fourthdan@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> wait, if i understand correctly, you're saying that a CCIE in the UAE
>>>>> gets 21k AED (dubai currency) a month?
>>>>> That can't be right. I have heard that CCIE's get double that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Muhammad Nasim <
>>>>> muhammad.nasim@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Agree
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2008/11/23 Farrukh Haroon <farrukhharoon@gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > If this is what Farhan is getting, then its MUCH higher than the UAE
>>>>>> > market.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > The market (specially for RnS CCIEs) is way lower than that. Its
>>>>>> more in
>>>>>> > the 60/70K range.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Regards
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Farrukh
>>>>>> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:38 AM, darth router <
>>>>>> darklordrouter@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> over 100k tax free? I'd stay where your at. In fact, hook me up
>>>>>> with a job
>>>>>> >> :)
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Farhan Anwar <
>>>>>> farhan.anwar@gmail.com
>>>>>> >> >wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> > Darby, would you please highlight, the problems, because the only
>>>>>> reason
>>>>>> >> i
>>>>>> >> > was considering to move to US is growth and good, projects. I
>>>>>> make more
>>>>>> >> > than
>>>>>> >> > 100,000 USD tax free, but with all the problems listed above.
>>>>>> Moving to
>>>>>> >> US
>>>>>> >> > even after the recession is over and the market stability is
>>>>>> regained,
>>>>>> >> is
>>>>>> >> > that a good move or not.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Muhammad Nasim <
>>>>>> >> muhammad.nasim@gmail.com
>>>>>> >> > >wrote:
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > > Really are there people in US/Europe who are also badly stuck
>>>>>> w.r.t
>>>>>> >> > growth.
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > > If this is the case I am satisfied : )
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > > 2008/11/22 Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > > I know many engineers in the USA facing similar dilemmas,
>>>>>> >> circumstances,
>>>>>> >> > >> and
>>>>>> >> > >> conditions typically for a lot less salary.
>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Farhan Anwar <
>>>>>> >> farhan.anwar@gmail.com
>>>>>> >> > >> >wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >> > Hi All,
>>>>>> >> > >> > I am working in the UAE, and as far as job options are
>>>>>> concerned
>>>>>> >> being
>>>>>> >> > a
>>>>>> >> > >> > CCIE, you don't have any problems for job, but i do agree
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> >> > companies
>>>>>> >> > >> > have freezed their hiring because of the global economic
>>>>>> slowdown.
>>>>>> >> But
>>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>>> >> > >> > effect here is minimal or not yet started in full swing :),
>>>>>> >> specially
>>>>>> >> > in
>>>>>> >> > >> oil
>>>>>> >> > >> > rich abu dhabi emirate.
>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > The place is good with unlimited and unique entertainment,
>>>>>> leasure
>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>> >> > >> > shopping options. Safety is not an issue. Cars are cheap,
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> >> bmw's
>>>>>> >> > and
>>>>>> >> > >> > range-rovers are mostly the favorites. Fuel is cheap, almost
>>>>>> 2.5
>>>>>> >> USD
>>>>>> >> > a
>>>>>> >> > >> > gallon.
>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > Technically speaking, the problem is most of the people you
>>>>>> >> interact
>>>>>> >> > are
>>>>>> >> > >> > not of technical background but they are sitting with
>>>>>> extremely
>>>>>> >> > >> technical
>>>>>> >> > >> > designations and in the end you get frustrated that where
>>>>>> the hell
>>>>>> >> you
>>>>>> >> > >> are
>>>>>> >> > >> > stuck. Specially in Network Design and Security.
>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > I have faced some problems when i moved in here and this
>>>>>> would also
>>>>>> >> > >> answer
>>>>>> >> > >> > why now i am trying to move onto the European or US market,
>>>>>> let me
>>>>>> >> > share
>>>>>> >> > >> > with you the problems.
>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > - Technical Growth gets stuck, because i barely find any
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> >> free
>>>>>> >> > to
>>>>>> >> > >> > study as the time gets wasted in either commuting or
>>>>>> >> traffic-jams.
>>>>>> >> > >> > - On the job, learning is limited as the work is repeated
>>>>>> most
>>>>>> >> of
>>>>>> >> > the
>>>>>> >> > >> > time.
>>>>>> >> > >> > - Most of the projects, even the smaller ones have
>>>>>> uncapped
>>>>>> >> budgets
>>>>>> >> > >> > which defeats the purpose of optimization. For example an
>>>>>> >> average
>>>>>> >> > >> company
>>>>>> >> > >> > would not have any problems buying up Bluecoat proxysg
>>>>>> 8100,
>>>>>> >> even
>>>>>> >> > if
>>>>>> >> > >> they
>>>>>> >> > >> > dont haveany requirements for it.
>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > - Traffic, on an average 2 - 4 hours per day you have to
>>>>>> get
>>>>>> >> stuck.
>>>>>> >> > >> In
>>>>>> >> > >> > my opinion, the time you are spending on street is wasted
>>>>>> as its
>>>>>> >> > not
>>>>>> >> > >> given
>>>>>> >> > >> > to work or family. In this case, we usually work 8 hours,
>>>>>> may be
>>>>>> >> 10
>>>>>> >> > >> hours
>>>>>> >> > >> > some times, get 8 hours sleep which barely leaves
>>>>>> sometime being
>>>>>> >> > >> spent with
>>>>>> >> > >> > the family.
>>>>>> >> > >> > - You can't find the accommodation in the house-allowance
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> >> > company
>>>>>> >> > >> > gives you. For doing some saving you have to move either
>>>>>> to some
>>>>>> >> > >> other
>>>>>> >> > >> > emirate and waste more time or move into the
>>>>>> accommodation that
>>>>>> >> > takes
>>>>>> >> > >> 50% of
>>>>>> >> > >> > your salary in advance for the full year.
>>>>>> >> > >> > - Since their is no train system yet introduced, every
>>>>>> expat is
>>>>>> >> > >> buying
>>>>>> >> > >> > a car as first priority which is creating traffic,
>>>>>> parking and
>>>>>> >> > >> saturation
>>>>>> >> > >> > issues.
>>>>>> >> > >> > - Although there is no Tax on the income but you end up
>>>>>> saving
>>>>>> >> the
>>>>>> >> > >> same
>>>>>> >> > >> > amount of money which you would save in other regions.
>>>>>> >> > >> > - The Internet access is still immature and highly
>>>>>> dominated by
>>>>>> >> a
>>>>>> >> > >> > single player, the average dsl speeds avaiable are 256k,
>>>>>> 512k
>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>> >> > 1M,
>>>>>> >> > >> at the
>>>>>> >> > >> > cost of 70 USD per month for 512k with extremely limited
>>>>>> upload
>>>>>> >> of
>>>>>> >> > >> 128k.
>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > Thats all i can think of right now, in the end, it is
>>>>>> totally my
>>>>>> >> > >> personal
>>>>>> >> > >> > opinion and some people would agree and some may disagree.
>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> > On 11/22/08, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> Some people may be having a hiring freeze and others can't
>>>>>> fill
>>>>>> >> some
>>>>>> >> > >> >> positions. It's a rough battle.
>>>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Marko Milivojevic <
>>>>>> >> > markom@markom.info
>>>>>> >> > >> >> >wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > Aren't they, like pretty much the rest of the world, in a
>>>>>> hiring
>>>>>> >> > >> pause
>>>>>> >> > >> >> now?
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > :-)
>>>>>> >> > >> >> >
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:51, Gary Duncanson
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > <garyduncanson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > > Dubai rocks.
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > > Any interesting jobs out there unicast me.
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > > Regards
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > > Gary
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <
>>>>>> sheherezada@gmail.com>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > > To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:46 AM
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > > Subject: OT: CCIE Salary Survey
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >> Both Cisco and IBM are moving their EMEA headquarters
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> >> Dubai,
>>>>>> >> > as
>>>>>> >> > >> I
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >> have heard. So no need to nominate someone.
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >> Mihai
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Tony Varriale
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >> <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com> wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Care to share your list? I have not seen one high
>>>>>> profile
>>>>>> >> exec
>>>>>> >> > >> make
>>>>>> >> > >> >> a
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> public statement supporting yours (and I don't know
>>>>>> of any
>>>>>> >> > living
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > there).
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:
>>>>>> nobody@groupstudy.com]
>>>>>> >> On
>>>>>> >> > >> >> Behalf
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > Of
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Darby Weaver
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:36 AM
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> To: Felix Nkansah
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Cc: Muhammad Nasim; Jonny English; Administrator;
>>>>>> Cyrus;
>>>>>> >> Larry
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > Letterman
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> (lletterm); Scott Morris; Joseph Brunner; Huzefa;
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Subject: Re: CCIE Salary Survey
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Think of it like this....
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Most super US executives who can... do live or plan
>>>>>> to move
>>>>>> >> to
>>>>>> >> > >> >> Dubai,
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> the
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Internet City or something like that.
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> It's not what you see on TV, it's Ultra-Modern.
>>>>>> Makes
>>>>>> >> cities
>>>>>> >> > in
>>>>>> >> > >> New
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > York
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> and California look like the old west.
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Ignorance is bliss.
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Felix Nkansah
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> <felixnkansah@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> Hi,
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> I have been to Dubai a couple of times.
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> It's been rated by some US and UK mags as the most
>>>>>> peaceful
>>>>>> >> > >> place
>>>>>> >> > >> >> on
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> earth
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> for ten consecutive years. I mean it.
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> At least you're not going to hear of car thefts or
>>>>>> >> robberies.
>>>>>> >> > I
>>>>>> >> > >> >> feel
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> safer
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> when walking out there.
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> Of course, everything stands out for argument, but
>>>>>> this is
>>>>>> >> my
>>>>>> >> > >> >> personal
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> observation of Dubai.
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> Only that things are too expensive for my liking.
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> Felix
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>>>> >> > >> >> >
>>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>>> >>
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>>>>>> >> > >> > --
>>>>>> >> > >> > Farhan.
>>>>>> >> > >>
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>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> > > --
>>>>>> >> > > Muhammad Nasim
>>>>>> >> > > Network Engineer
>>>>>> >> > > Saudi Arabia
>>>>>> >> > >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > --
>>>>>> >> > Syed Farhan A. Hussain
>>>>>> >> > CCIE #19871
>>>>>> >> > Senior Network Consultant
>>>>>> >> > www.farhananwar.com
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Muhammad Nasim
>>>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>>> Saudi Arabia
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> Network Engineer
>>>> Saudi Arabia
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