From: John Hooper (homith@homith.com)
Date: Sun Nov 23 2008 - 08:05:39 ARST
Geeezz I could only dream about making that sort of cash. Here in Australia
I'm allot less then 100K and with that end up paying 20K in tax. One day I
hope things will change.
Cheers
John
----- Original Message -----
From: "Farhan Anwar" <farhan.anwar@gmail.com>
To: "Darby Weaver" <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
Cc: "Muhammad Nasim" <muhammad.nasim@gmail.com>; "Cisco certification"
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>; "Marko Milivojevic" <markom@markom.info>; "Gary
Duncanson" <garyduncanson@btinternet.com>; <sheherezada@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: CCIE Salary Survey
> Darby, would you please highlight, the problems, because the only reason i
> was considering to move to US is growth and good, projects. I make more
> than
> 100,000 USD tax free, but with all the problems listed above. Moving to US
> even after the recession is over and the market stability is regained, is
> that a good move or not.
>
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Muhammad Nasim
> <muhammad.nasim@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Really are there people in US/Europe who are also badly stuck w.r.t
>> growth.
>>
>>
>> If this is the case I am satisfied : )
>>
>>
>>
>> 2008/11/22 Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
>>
>> I know many engineers in the USA facing similar dilemmas, circumstances,
>>> and
>>> conditions typically for a lot less salary.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Farhan Anwar <farhan.anwar@gmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi All,
>>> > I am working in the UAE, and as far as job options are concerned being
>>> > a
>>> > CCIE, you don't have any problems for job, but i do agree some
>>> > companies
>>> > have freezed their hiring because of the global economic slowdown. But
>>> the
>>> > effect here is minimal or not yet started in full swing :), specially
>>> > in
>>> oil
>>> > rich abu dhabi emirate.
>>> >
>>> > The place is good with unlimited and unique entertainment, leasure and
>>> > shopping options. Safety is not an issue. Cars are cheap, like bmw's
>>> > and
>>> > range-rovers are mostly the favorites. Fuel is cheap, almost 2.5 USD
>>> > a
>>> > gallon.
>>> >
>>> > Technically speaking, the problem is most of the people you interact
>>> > are
>>> > not of technical background but they are sitting with extremely
>>> technical
>>> > designations and in the end you get frustrated that where the hell you
>>> are
>>> > stuck. Specially in Network Design and Security.
>>> >
>>> > I have faced some problems when i moved in here and this would also
>>> answer
>>> > why now i am trying to move onto the European or US market, let me
>>> > share
>>> > with you the problems.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > - Technical Growth gets stuck, because i barely find any time free
>>> > to
>>> > study as the time gets wasted in either commuting or traffic-jams.
>>> > - On the job, learning is limited as the work is repeated most of
>>> > the
>>> > time.
>>> > - Most of the projects, even the smaller ones have uncapped budgets
>>> > which defeats the purpose of optimization. For example an average
>>> company
>>> > would not have any problems buying up Bluecoat proxysg 8100, even
>>> > if
>>> they
>>> > dont haveany requirements for it.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > - Traffic, on an average 2 - 4 hours per day you have to get stuck.
>>> In
>>> > my opinion, the time you are spending on street is wasted as its
>>> > not
>>> given
>>> > to work or family. In this case, we usually work 8 hours, may be 10
>>> hours
>>> > some times, get 8 hours sleep which barely leaves sometime being
>>> spent with
>>> > the family.
>>> > - You can't find the accommodation in the house-allowance the
>>> > company
>>> > gives you. For doing some saving you have to move either to some
>>> other
>>> > emirate and waste more time or move into the accommodation that
>>> > takes
>>> 50% of
>>> > your salary in advance for the full year.
>>> > - Since their is no train system yet introduced, every expat is
>>> buying
>>> > a car as first priority which is creating traffic, parking and
>>> saturation
>>> > issues.
>>> > - Although there is no Tax on the income but you end up saving the
>>> same
>>> > amount of money which you would save in other regions.
>>> > - The Internet access is still immature and highly dominated by a
>>> > single player, the average dsl speeds avaiable are 256k, 512k and
>>> > 1M,
>>> at the
>>> > cost of 70 USD per month for 512k with extremely limited upload of
>>> 128k.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thats all i can think of right now, in the end, it is totally my
>>> personal
>>> > opinion and some people would agree and some may disagree.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 11/22/08, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Some people may be having a hiring freeze and others can't fill some
>>> >> positions. It's a rough battle.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Marko Milivojevic
>>> >> <markom@markom.info
>>> >> >wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> > Aren't they, like pretty much the rest of the world, in a hiring
>>> pause
>>> >> now?
>>> >> > :-)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:51, Gary Duncanson
>>> >> > <garyduncanson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> >> > > Dubai rocks.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Any interesting jobs out there unicast me.
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > > Regards
>>> >> > > Gary
>>> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <sheherezada@gmail.com>
>>> >> > > To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>> >> > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:46 AM
>>> >> > > Subject: OT: CCIE Salary Survey
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >
>>> >> > >> Both Cisco and IBM are moving their EMEA headquarters to Dubai,
>>> >> > >> as
>>> I
>>> >> > >> have heard. So no need to nominate someone.
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> Mihai
>>> >> > >>
>>> >> > >> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Tony Varriale
>>> >> > >> <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com> wrote:
>>> >> > >>>
>>> >> > >>> Care to share your list? I have not seen one high profile exec
>>> make
>>> >> a
>>> >> > >>> public statement supporting yours (and I don't know of any
>>> >> > >>> living
>>> >> > there).
>>> >> > >>>
>>> >> > >>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> > >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On
>>> >> Behalf
>>> >> > Of
>>> >> > >>> Darby Weaver
>>> >> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:36 AM
>>> >> > >>> To: Felix Nkansah
>>> >> > >>> Cc: Muhammad Nasim; Jonny English; Administrator; Cyrus; Larry
>>> >> > Letterman
>>> >> > >>> (lletterm); Scott Morris; Joseph Brunner; Huzefa;
>>> >> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> >> > >>> Subject: Re: CCIE Salary Survey
>>> >> > >>>
>>> >> > >>> Think of it like this....
>>> >> > >>>
>>> >> > >>> Most super US executives who can... do live or plan to move to
>>> >> Dubai,
>>> >> > >>> the
>>> >> > >>> Internet City or something like that.
>>> >> > >>>
>>> >> > >>> It's not what you see on TV, it's Ultra-Modern. Makes cities
>>> >> > >>> in
>>> New
>>> >> > York
>>> >> > >>> and California look like the old west.
>>> >> > >>>
>>> >> > >>> Ignorance is bliss.
>>> >> > >>>
>>> >> > >>>
>>> >> > >>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Felix Nkansah
>>> >> > >>> <felixnkansah@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> >> > >>>
>>> >> > >>>> Hi,
>>> >> > >>>>
>>> >> > >>>> I have been to Dubai a couple of times.
>>> >> > >>>> It's been rated by some US and UK mags as the most peaceful
>>> place
>>> >> on
>>> >> > >>>> earth
>>> >> > >>>> for ten consecutive years. I mean it.
>>> >> > >>>>
>>> >> > >>>> At least you're not going to hear of car thefts or robberies.
>>> >> > >>>> I
>>> >> feel
>>> >> > >>>> safer
>>> >> > >>>> when walking out there.
>>> >> > >>>>
>>> >> > >>>> Of course, everything stands out for argument, but this is my
>>> >> personal
>>> >> > >>>> observation of Dubai.
>>> >> > >>>>
>>> >> > >>>> Only that things are too expensive for my liking.
>>> >> > >>>>
>>> >> > >>>> Felix
>>> >> > >>>>
>>> >> > >>>>
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>>> >
>>> > --
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>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Muhammad Nasim
>> Network Engineer
>> Saudi Arabia
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Syed Farhan A. Hussain
> CCIE #19871
> Senior Network Consultant
> www.farhananwar.com
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