From: Mithun Bhat (fourthdan@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Nov 23 2008 - 08:00:29 ARST
I don't know if you mean I'm getting wrong information, because I can assure
you my information on the 16k jobs for CCNP is 100% accurate :)Which leads
me to ask myself: why would someone who is at CCNP level do a CCIE if he's
just going to get 5-6k salary increase?
Anyways I have known CCIE's here to get salaries of 35-40k. I think it's the
CCIE's working for cisco who manage 50-60k AED / month too.
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Farrukh Haroon <farrukhharoon@gmail.com>wrote:
> So it means your getting your information from the wrong sources then :)
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Mithun Bhat <fourthdan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> As far as i know the salary for a normal network engineer CCNP level is
>> 16k AED in dubai / UAE.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:28 PM, Muhammad Nasim <
>> muhammad.nasim@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> let say X person is getting 108,000 US& per year that would be 9 thousand
>>> US $ per month
>>>
>>> 1 USD = 3.6710
>>>
>>> 9,000 $ = 33,039 aed
>>>
>>> This 33 or 34 is a very very good figure . I should say exceptional now a
>>> days as the CCIE numbers are growing.
>>>
>>> 21K and 22 K (AED) is an average salary per month. Which is also
>>> difficult to find.
>>>
>>>
>>> Based on the number of years the salry can be 50K AED BUT it is true for
>>> more then 10, Years of expereicen
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope cleared it out ; 0
>>>
>>>
>>> 2008/11/23 Mithun Bhat <fourthdan@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> wait, if i understand correctly, you're saying that a CCIE in the UAE
>>>> gets 21k AED (dubai currency) a month?
>>>> That can't be right. I have heard that CCIE's get double that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Muhammad Nasim <
>>>> muhammad.nasim@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Agree
>>>>>
>>>>> 2008/11/23 Farrukh Haroon <farrukhharoon@gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> > If this is what Farhan is getting, then its MUCH higher than the UAE
>>>>> > market.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The market (specially for RnS CCIEs) is way lower than that. Its more
>>>>> in
>>>>> > the 60/70K range.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Regards
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Farrukh
>>>>> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:38 AM, darth router <
>>>>> darklordrouter@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> over 100k tax free? I'd stay where your at. In fact, hook me up with
>>>>> a job
>>>>> >> :)
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Farhan Anwar <
>>>>> farhan.anwar@gmail.com
>>>>> >> >wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> > Darby, would you please highlight, the problems, because the only
>>>>> reason
>>>>> >> i
>>>>> >> > was considering to move to US is growth and good, projects. I make
>>>>> more
>>>>> >> > than
>>>>> >> > 100,000 USD tax free, but with all the problems listed above.
>>>>> Moving to
>>>>> >> US
>>>>> >> > even after the recession is over and the market stability is
>>>>> regained,
>>>>> >> is
>>>>> >> > that a good move or not.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Muhammad Nasim <
>>>>> >> muhammad.nasim@gmail.com
>>>>> >> > >wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > > Really are there people in US/Europe who are also badly stuck
>>>>> w.r.t
>>>>> >> > growth.
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > > If this is the case I am satisfied : )
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > > 2008/11/22 Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > > I know many engineers in the USA facing similar dilemmas,
>>>>> >> circumstances,
>>>>> >> > >> and
>>>>> >> > >> conditions typically for a lot less salary.
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Farhan Anwar <
>>>>> >> farhan.anwar@gmail.com
>>>>> >> > >> >wrote:
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> > Hi All,
>>>>> >> > >> > I am working in the UAE, and as far as job options are
>>>>> concerned
>>>>> >> being
>>>>> >> > a
>>>>> >> > >> > CCIE, you don't have any problems for job, but i do agree
>>>>> some
>>>>> >> > companies
>>>>> >> > >> > have freezed their hiring because of the global economic
>>>>> slowdown.
>>>>> >> But
>>>>> >> > >> the
>>>>> >> > >> > effect here is minimal or not yet started in full swing :),
>>>>> >> specially
>>>>> >> > in
>>>>> >> > >> oil
>>>>> >> > >> > rich abu dhabi emirate.
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > The place is good with unlimited and unique entertainment,
>>>>> leasure
>>>>> >> and
>>>>> >> > >> > shopping options. Safety is not an issue. Cars are cheap,
>>>>> like
>>>>> >> bmw's
>>>>> >> > and
>>>>> >> > >> > range-rovers are mostly the favorites. Fuel is cheap, almost
>>>>> 2.5
>>>>> >> USD
>>>>> >> > a
>>>>> >> > >> > gallon.
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > Technically speaking, the problem is most of the people you
>>>>> >> interact
>>>>> >> > are
>>>>> >> > >> > not of technical background but they are sitting with
>>>>> extremely
>>>>> >> > >> technical
>>>>> >> > >> > designations and in the end you get frustrated that where the
>>>>> hell
>>>>> >> you
>>>>> >> > >> are
>>>>> >> > >> > stuck. Specially in Network Design and Security.
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > I have faced some problems when i moved in here and this
>>>>> would also
>>>>> >> > >> answer
>>>>> >> > >> > why now i am trying to move onto the European or US market,
>>>>> let me
>>>>> >> > share
>>>>> >> > >> > with you the problems.
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > - Technical Growth gets stuck, because i barely find any
>>>>> time
>>>>> >> free
>>>>> >> > to
>>>>> >> > >> > study as the time gets wasted in either commuting or
>>>>> >> traffic-jams.
>>>>> >> > >> > - On the job, learning is limited as the work is repeated
>>>>> most
>>>>> >> of
>>>>> >> > the
>>>>> >> > >> > time.
>>>>> >> > >> > - Most of the projects, even the smaller ones have
>>>>> uncapped
>>>>> >> budgets
>>>>> >> > >> > which defeats the purpose of optimization. For example an
>>>>> >> average
>>>>> >> > >> company
>>>>> >> > >> > would not have any problems buying up Bluecoat proxysg
>>>>> 8100,
>>>>> >> even
>>>>> >> > if
>>>>> >> > >> they
>>>>> >> > >> > dont haveany requirements for it.
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > - Traffic, on an average 2 - 4 hours per day you have to
>>>>> get
>>>>> >> stuck.
>>>>> >> > >> In
>>>>> >> > >> > my opinion, the time you are spending on street is wasted
>>>>> as its
>>>>> >> > not
>>>>> >> > >> given
>>>>> >> > >> > to work or family. In this case, we usually work 8 hours,
>>>>> may be
>>>>> >> 10
>>>>> >> > >> hours
>>>>> >> > >> > some times, get 8 hours sleep which barely leaves sometime
>>>>> being
>>>>> >> > >> spent with
>>>>> >> > >> > the family.
>>>>> >> > >> > - You can't find the accommodation in the house-allowance
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> > company
>>>>> >> > >> > gives you. For doing some saving you have to move either
>>>>> to some
>>>>> >> > >> other
>>>>> >> > >> > emirate and waste more time or move into the accommodation
>>>>> that
>>>>> >> > takes
>>>>> >> > >> 50% of
>>>>> >> > >> > your salary in advance for the full year.
>>>>> >> > >> > - Since their is no train system yet introduced, every
>>>>> expat is
>>>>> >> > >> buying
>>>>> >> > >> > a car as first priority which is creating traffic, parking
>>>>> and
>>>>> >> > >> saturation
>>>>> >> > >> > issues.
>>>>> >> > >> > - Although there is no Tax on the income but you end up
>>>>> saving
>>>>> >> the
>>>>> >> > >> same
>>>>> >> > >> > amount of money which you would save in other regions.
>>>>> >> > >> > - The Internet access is still immature and highly
>>>>> dominated by
>>>>> >> a
>>>>> >> > >> > single player, the average dsl speeds avaiable are 256k,
>>>>> 512k
>>>>> >> and
>>>>> >> > 1M,
>>>>> >> > >> at the
>>>>> >> > >> > cost of 70 USD per month for 512k with extremely limited
>>>>> upload
>>>>> >> of
>>>>> >> > >> 128k.
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > Thats all i can think of right now, in the end, it is totally
>>>>> my
>>>>> >> > >> personal
>>>>> >> > >> > opinion and some people would agree and some may disagree.
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >
>>>>> >> > >> > On 11/22/08, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >> Some people may be having a hiring freeze and others can't
>>>>> fill
>>>>> >> some
>>>>> >> > >> >> positions. It's a rough battle.
>>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Marko Milivojevic <
>>>>> >> > markom@markom.info
>>>>> >> > >> >> >wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >>
>>>>> >> > >> >> > Aren't they, like pretty much the rest of the world, in a
>>>>> hiring
>>>>> >> > >> pause
>>>>> >> > >> >> now?
>>>>> >> > >> >> > :-)
>>>>> >> > >> >> >
>>>>> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:51, Gary Duncanson
>>>>> >> > >> >> > <garyduncanson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >> > > Dubai rocks.
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >> > > Any interesting jobs out there unicast me.
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >> > > Regards
>>>>> >> > >> >> > > Gary
>>>>> >> > >> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <
>>>>> sheherezada@gmail.com>
>>>>> >> > >> >> > > To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>>>> >> > >> >> > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:46 AM
>>>>> >> > >> >> > > Subject: OT: CCIE Salary Survey
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >> Both Cisco and IBM are moving their EMEA headquarters
>>>>> to
>>>>> >> Dubai,
>>>>> >> > as
>>>>> >> > >> I
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >> have heard. So no need to nominate someone.
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >> Mihai
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Tony Varriale
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >> <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Care to share your list? I have not seen one high
>>>>> profile
>>>>> >> exec
>>>>> >> > >> make
>>>>> >> > >> >> a
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> public statement supporting yours (and I don't know of
>>>>> any
>>>>> >> > living
>>>>> >> > >> >> > there).
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:
>>>>> nobody@groupstudy.com]
>>>>> >> On
>>>>> >> > >> >> Behalf
>>>>> >> > >> >> > Of
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Darby Weaver
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:36 AM
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> To: Felix Nkansah
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Cc: Muhammad Nasim; Jonny English; Administrator;
>>>>> Cyrus;
>>>>> >> Larry
>>>>> >> > >> >> > Letterman
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> (lletterm); Scott Morris; Joseph Brunner; Huzefa;
>>>>> >> > >> >> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Subject: Re: CCIE Salary Survey
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Think of it like this....
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Most super US executives who can... do live or plan
>>>>> to move
>>>>> >> to
>>>>> >> > >> >> Dubai,
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> the
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Internet City or something like that.
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> It's not what you see on TV, it's Ultra-Modern. Makes
>>>>> >> cities
>>>>> >> > in
>>>>> >> > >> New
>>>>> >> > >> >> > York
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> and California look like the old west.
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> Ignorance is bliss.
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Felix Nkansah
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>> <felixnkansah@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> Hi,
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> I have been to Dubai a couple of times.
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> It's been rated by some US and UK mags as the most
>>>>> peaceful
>>>>> >> > >> place
>>>>> >> > >> >> on
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> earth
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> for ten consecutive years. I mean it.
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> At least you're not going to hear of car thefts or
>>>>> >> robberies.
>>>>> >> > I
>>>>> >> > >> >> feel
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> safer
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> when walking out there.
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> Of course, everything stands out for argument, but
>>>>> this is
>>>>> >> my
>>>>> >> > >> >> personal
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> observation of Dubai.
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> Only that things are too expensive for my liking.
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> Felix
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >> > >>>>
>>>>> >> > >> >> >
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >>
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>>>>> >> > >> > --
>>>>> >> > >> > Farhan.
>>>>> >> > >>
>>>>> >> > >>
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>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> > > --
>>>>> >> > > Muhammad Nasim
>>>>> >> > > Network Engineer
>>>>> >> > > Saudi Arabia
>>>>> >> > >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > --
>>>>> >> > Syed Farhan A. Hussain
>>>>> >> > CCIE #19871
>>>>> >> > Senior Network Consultant
>>>>> >> > www.farhananwar.com
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
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>>>>> >> >
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>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Muhammad Nasim
>>>>> Network Engineer
>>>>> Saudi Arabia
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Muhammad Nasim
>>> Network Engineer
>>> Saudi Arabia
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