From: Mithun Bhat (fourthdan@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Nov 23 2008 - 06:21:58 ARST
wait, if i understand correctly, you're saying that a CCIE in the UAE gets
21k AED (dubai currency) a month?
That can't be right. I have heard that CCIE's get double that.
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Muhammad Nasim
<muhammad.nasim@gmail.com>wrote:
> Agree
>
> 2008/11/23 Farrukh Haroon <farrukhharoon@gmail.com>
>
> > If this is what Farhan is getting, then its MUCH higher than the UAE
> > market.
> >
> > The market (specially for RnS CCIEs) is way lower than that. Its more in
> > the 60/70K range.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Farrukh
> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:38 AM, darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> over 100k tax free? I'd stay where your at. In fact, hook me up with a
> job
> >> :)
> >>
> >> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Farhan Anwar <farhan.anwar@gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > Darby, would you please highlight, the problems, because the only
> reason
> >> i
> >> > was considering to move to US is growth and good, projects. I make
> more
> >> > than
> >> > 100,000 USD tax free, but with all the problems listed above. Moving
> to
> >> US
> >> > even after the recession is over and the market stability is regained,
> >> is
> >> > that a good move or not.
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Muhammad Nasim <
> >> muhammad.nasim@gmail.com
> >> > >wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Really are there people in US/Europe who are also badly stuck w.r.t
> >> > growth.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > If this is the case I am satisfied : )
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 2008/11/22 Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
> >> > >
> >> > > I know many engineers in the USA facing similar dilemmas,
> >> circumstances,
> >> > >> and
> >> > >> conditions typically for a lot less salary.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Farhan Anwar <
> >> farhan.anwar@gmail.com
> >> > >> >wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Hi All,
> >> > >> > I am working in the UAE, and as far as job options are concerned
> >> being
> >> > a
> >> > >> > CCIE, you don't have any problems for job, but i do agree some
> >> > companies
> >> > >> > have freezed their hiring because of the global economic
> slowdown.
> >> But
> >> > >> the
> >> > >> > effect here is minimal or not yet started in full swing :),
> >> specially
> >> > in
> >> > >> oil
> >> > >> > rich abu dhabi emirate.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > The place is good with unlimited and unique entertainment,
> leasure
> >> and
> >> > >> > shopping options. Safety is not an issue. Cars are cheap, like
> >> bmw's
> >> > and
> >> > >> > range-rovers are mostly the favorites. Fuel is cheap, almost 2.5
> >> USD
> >> > a
> >> > >> > gallon.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Technically speaking, the problem is most of the people you
> >> interact
> >> > are
> >> > >> > not of technical background but they are sitting with extremely
> >> > >> technical
> >> > >> > designations and in the end you get frustrated that where the
> hell
> >> you
> >> > >> are
> >> > >> > stuck. Specially in Network Design and Security.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > I have faced some problems when i moved in here and this would
> also
> >> > >> answer
> >> > >> > why now i am trying to move onto the European or US market, let
> me
> >> > share
> >> > >> > with you the problems.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > - Technical Growth gets stuck, because i barely find any time
> >> free
> >> > to
> >> > >> > study as the time gets wasted in either commuting or
> >> traffic-jams.
> >> > >> > - On the job, learning is limited as the work is repeated most
> >> of
> >> > the
> >> > >> > time.
> >> > >> > - Most of the projects, even the smaller ones have uncapped
> >> budgets
> >> > >> > which defeats the purpose of optimization. For example an
> >> average
> >> > >> company
> >> > >> > would not have any problems buying up Bluecoat proxysg 8100,
> >> even
> >> > if
> >> > >> they
> >> > >> > dont haveany requirements for it.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > - Traffic, on an average 2 - 4 hours per day you have to get
> >> stuck.
> >> > >> In
> >> > >> > my opinion, the time you are spending on street is wasted as
> its
> >> > not
> >> > >> given
> >> > >> > to work or family. In this case, we usually work 8 hours, may
> be
> >> 10
> >> > >> hours
> >> > >> > some times, get 8 hours sleep which barely leaves sometime
> being
> >> > >> spent with
> >> > >> > the family.
> >> > >> > - You can't find the accommodation in the house-allowance the
> >> > company
> >> > >> > gives you. For doing some saving you have to move either to
> some
> >> > >> other
> >> > >> > emirate and waste more time or move into the accommodation
> that
> >> > takes
> >> > >> 50% of
> >> > >> > your salary in advance for the full year.
> >> > >> > - Since their is no train system yet introduced, every expat
> is
> >> > >> buying
> >> > >> > a car as first priority which is creating traffic, parking and
> >> > >> saturation
> >> > >> > issues.
> >> > >> > - Although there is no Tax on the income but you end up saving
> >> the
> >> > >> same
> >> > >> > amount of money which you would save in other regions.
> >> > >> > - The Internet access is still immature and highly dominated
> by
> >> a
> >> > >> > single player, the average dsl speeds avaiable are 256k, 512k
> >> and
> >> > 1M,
> >> > >> at the
> >> > >> > cost of 70 USD per month for 512k with extremely limited
> upload
> >> of
> >> > >> 128k.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Thats all i can think of right now, in the end, it is totally my
> >> > >> personal
> >> > >> > opinion and some people would agree and some may disagree.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > On 11/22/08, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> Some people may be having a hiring freeze and others can't fill
> >> some
> >> > >> >> positions. It's a rough battle.
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Marko Milivojevic <
> >> > markom@markom.info
> >> > >> >> >wrote:
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >>
> >> > >> >> > Aren't they, like pretty much the rest of the world, in a
> hiring
> >> > >> pause
> >> > >> >> now?
> >> > >> >> > :-)
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:51, Gary Duncanson
> >> > >> >> > <garyduncanson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >> > >> >> > > Dubai rocks.
> >> > >> >> > >
> >> > >> >> > > Any interesting jobs out there unicast me.
> >> > >> >> > >
> >> > >> >> > > Regards
> >> > >> >> > > Gary
> >> > >> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <sheherezada@gmail.com>
> >> > >> >> > > To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >> > >> >> > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:46 AM
> >> > >> >> > > Subject: OT: CCIE Salary Survey
> >> > >> >> > >
> >> > >> >> > >
> >> > >> >> > >> Both Cisco and IBM are moving their EMEA headquarters to
> >> Dubai,
> >> > as
> >> > >> I
> >> > >> >> > >> have heard. So no need to nominate someone.
> >> > >> >> > >>
> >> > >> >> > >> Mihai
> >> > >> >> > >>
> >> > >> >> > >> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Tony Varriale
> >> > >> >> > >> <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com> wrote:
> >> > >> >> > >>>
> >> > >> >> > >>> Care to share your list? I have not seen one high profile
> >> exec
> >> > >> make
> >> > >> >> a
> >> > >> >> > >>> public statement supporting yours (and I don't know of any
> >> > living
> >> > >> >> > there).
> >> > >> >> > >>>
> >> > >> >> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> > >> >> > >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com
> ]
> >> On
> >> > >> >> Behalf
> >> > >> >> > Of
> >> > >> >> > >>> Darby Weaver
> >> > >> >> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:36 AM
> >> > >> >> > >>> To: Felix Nkansah
> >> > >> >> > >>> Cc: Muhammad Nasim; Jonny English; Administrator; Cyrus;
> >> Larry
> >> > >> >> > Letterman
> >> > >> >> > >>> (lletterm); Scott Morris; Joseph Brunner; Huzefa;
> >> > >> >> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> >> > >> >> > >>> Subject: Re: CCIE Salary Survey
> >> > >> >> > >>>
> >> > >> >> > >>> Think of it like this....
> >> > >> >> > >>>
> >> > >> >> > >>> Most super US executives who can... do live or plan to
> move
> >> to
> >> > >> >> Dubai,
> >> > >> >> > >>> the
> >> > >> >> > >>> Internet City or something like that.
> >> > >> >> > >>>
> >> > >> >> > >>> It's not what you see on TV, it's Ultra-Modern. Makes
> >> cities
> >> > in
> >> > >> New
> >> > >> >> > York
> >> > >> >> > >>> and California look like the old west.
> >> > >> >> > >>>
> >> > >> >> > >>> Ignorance is bliss.
> >> > >> >> > >>>
> >> > >> >> > >>>
> >> > >> >> > >>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Felix Nkansah
> >> > >> >> > >>> <felixnkansah@gmail.com>wrote:
> >> > >> >> > >>>
> >> > >> >> > >>>> Hi,
> >> > >> >> > >>>>
> >> > >> >> > >>>> I have been to Dubai a couple of times.
> >> > >> >> > >>>> It's been rated by some US and UK mags as the most
> peaceful
> >> > >> place
> >> > >> >> on
> >> > >> >> > >>>> earth
> >> > >> >> > >>>> for ten consecutive years. I mean it.
> >> > >> >> > >>>>
> >> > >> >> > >>>> At least you're not going to hear of car thefts or
> >> robberies.
> >> > I
> >> > >> >> feel
> >> > >> >> > >>>> safer
> >> > >> >> > >>>> when walking out there.
> >> > >> >> > >>>>
> >> > >> >> > >>>> Of course, everything stands out for argument, but this
> is
> >> my
> >> > >> >> personal
> >> > >> >> > >>>> observation of Dubai.
> >> > >> >> > >>>>
> >> > >> >> > >>>> Only that things are too expensive for my liking.
> >> > >> >> > >>>>
> >> > >> >> > >>>> Felix
> >> > >> >> > >>>>
> >> > >> >> > >>>>
> >> > >> >> > >>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> >> > >> >> > >>>>
> >> > >> >> > >>>>
> >> > >> >> >
> >> > >>
> >> _______________________________________________________________________
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> >> > >> >> > >>>
> >> > >> >> > >>>
> >> > >> >> > >>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> >> > >> >> > >>>
> >> > >> >> > >>>
> >> > >> >>
> >> >
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> >> > >> >> > >>>
> >> > >> >> > >>>
> >> > >> >>
> >> >
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> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > --
> >> > >> > Farhan.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
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> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Muhammad Nasim
> >> > > Network Engineer
> >> > > Saudi Arabia
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Syed Farhan A. Hussain
> >> > CCIE #19871
> >> > Senior Network Consultant
> >> > www.farhananwar.com
> >> >
> >> >
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> >> >
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
> --
> Muhammad Nasim
> Network Engineer
> Saudi Arabia
>
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