From: Muhammad Nasim (muhammad.nasim@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Nov 23 2008 - 06:15:48 ARST
Agree
2008/11/23 Farrukh Haroon <farrukhharoon@gmail.com>
> If this is what Farhan is getting, then its MUCH higher than the UAE
> market.
>
> The market (specially for RnS CCIEs) is way lower than that. Its more in
> the 60/70K range.
>
> Regards
>
> Farrukh
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:38 AM, darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> over 100k tax free? I'd stay where your at. In fact, hook me up with a job
>> :)
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Farhan Anwar <farhan.anwar@gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Darby, would you please highlight, the problems, because the only reason
>> i
>> > was considering to move to US is growth and good, projects. I make more
>> > than
>> > 100,000 USD tax free, but with all the problems listed above. Moving to
>> US
>> > even after the recession is over and the market stability is regained,
>> is
>> > that a good move or not.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Muhammad Nasim <
>> muhammad.nasim@gmail.com
>> > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > Really are there people in US/Europe who are also badly stuck w.r.t
>> > growth.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > If this is the case I am satisfied : )
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2008/11/22 Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
>> > >
>> > > I know many engineers in the USA facing similar dilemmas,
>> circumstances,
>> > >> and
>> > >> conditions typically for a lot less salary.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Farhan Anwar <
>> farhan.anwar@gmail.com
>> > >> >wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Hi All,
>> > >> > I am working in the UAE, and as far as job options are concerned
>> being
>> > a
>> > >> > CCIE, you don't have any problems for job, but i do agree some
>> > companies
>> > >> > have freezed their hiring because of the global economic slowdown.
>> But
>> > >> the
>> > >> > effect here is minimal or not yet started in full swing :),
>> specially
>> > in
>> > >> oil
>> > >> > rich abu dhabi emirate.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > The place is good with unlimited and unique entertainment, leasure
>> and
>> > >> > shopping options. Safety is not an issue. Cars are cheap, like
>> bmw's
>> > and
>> > >> > range-rovers are mostly the favorites. Fuel is cheap, almost 2.5
>> USD
>> > a
>> > >> > gallon.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Technically speaking, the problem is most of the people you
>> interact
>> > are
>> > >> > not of technical background but they are sitting with extremely
>> > >> technical
>> > >> > designations and in the end you get frustrated that where the hell
>> you
>> > >> are
>> > >> > stuck. Specially in Network Design and Security.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I have faced some problems when i moved in here and this would also
>> > >> answer
>> > >> > why now i am trying to move onto the European or US market, let me
>> > share
>> > >> > with you the problems.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > - Technical Growth gets stuck, because i barely find any time
>> free
>> > to
>> > >> > study as the time gets wasted in either commuting or
>> traffic-jams.
>> > >> > - On the job, learning is limited as the work is repeated most
>> of
>> > the
>> > >> > time.
>> > >> > - Most of the projects, even the smaller ones have uncapped
>> budgets
>> > >> > which defeats the purpose of optimization. For example an
>> average
>> > >> company
>> > >> > would not have any problems buying up Bluecoat proxysg 8100,
>> even
>> > if
>> > >> they
>> > >> > dont haveany requirements for it.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > - Traffic, on an average 2 - 4 hours per day you have to get
>> stuck.
>> > >> In
>> > >> > my opinion, the time you are spending on street is wasted as its
>> > not
>> > >> given
>> > >> > to work or family. In this case, we usually work 8 hours, may be
>> 10
>> > >> hours
>> > >> > some times, get 8 hours sleep which barely leaves sometime being
>> > >> spent with
>> > >> > the family.
>> > >> > - You can't find the accommodation in the house-allowance the
>> > company
>> > >> > gives you. For doing some saving you have to move either to some
>> > >> other
>> > >> > emirate and waste more time or move into the accommodation that
>> > takes
>> > >> 50% of
>> > >> > your salary in advance for the full year.
>> > >> > - Since their is no train system yet introduced, every expat is
>> > >> buying
>> > >> > a car as first priority which is creating traffic, parking and
>> > >> saturation
>> > >> > issues.
>> > >> > - Although there is no Tax on the income but you end up saving
>> the
>> > >> same
>> > >> > amount of money which you would save in other regions.
>> > >> > - The Internet access is still immature and highly dominated by
>> a
>> > >> > single player, the average dsl speeds avaiable are 256k, 512k
>> and
>> > 1M,
>> > >> at the
>> > >> > cost of 70 USD per month for 512k with extremely limited upload
>> of
>> > >> 128k.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Thats all i can think of right now, in the end, it is totally my
>> > >> personal
>> > >> > opinion and some people would agree and some may disagree.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On 11/22/08, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Some people may be having a hiring freeze and others can't fill
>> some
>> > >> >> positions. It's a rough battle.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Marko Milivojevic <
>> > markom@markom.info
>> > >> >> >wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> > Aren't they, like pretty much the rest of the world, in a hiring
>> > >> pause
>> > >> >> now?
>> > >> >> > :-)
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:51, Gary Duncanson
>> > >> >> > <garyduncanson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> > >> >> > > Dubai rocks.
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > > Any interesting jobs out there unicast me.
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > > Regards
>> > >> >> > > Gary
>> > >> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <sheherezada@gmail.com>
>> > >> >> > > To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> > >> >> > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:46 AM
>> > >> >> > > Subject: OT: CCIE Salary Survey
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > >> Both Cisco and IBM are moving their EMEA headquarters to
>> Dubai,
>> > as
>> > >> I
>> > >> >> > >> have heard. So no need to nominate someone.
>> > >> >> > >>
>> > >> >> > >> Mihai
>> > >> >> > >>
>> > >> >> > >> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Tony Varriale
>> > >> >> > >> <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com> wrote:
>> > >> >> > >>>
>> > >> >> > >>> Care to share your list? I have not seen one high profile
>> exec
>> > >> make
>> > >> >> a
>> > >> >> > >>> public statement supporting yours (and I don't know of any
>> > living
>> > >> >> > there).
>> > >> >> > >>>
>> > >> >> > >>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >> >> > >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
>> On
>> > >> >> Behalf
>> > >> >> > Of
>> > >> >> > >>> Darby Weaver
>> > >> >> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:36 AM
>> > >> >> > >>> To: Felix Nkansah
>> > >> >> > >>> Cc: Muhammad Nasim; Jonny English; Administrator; Cyrus;
>> Larry
>> > >> >> > Letterman
>> > >> >> > >>> (lletterm); Scott Morris; Joseph Brunner; Huzefa;
>> > >> >> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > >> >> > >>> Subject: Re: CCIE Salary Survey
>> > >> >> > >>>
>> > >> >> > >>> Think of it like this....
>> > >> >> > >>>
>> > >> >> > >>> Most super US executives who can... do live or plan to move
>> to
>> > >> >> Dubai,
>> > >> >> > >>> the
>> > >> >> > >>> Internet City or something like that.
>> > >> >> > >>>
>> > >> >> > >>> It's not what you see on TV, it's Ultra-Modern. Makes
>> cities
>> > in
>> > >> New
>> > >> >> > York
>> > >> >> > >>> and California look like the old west.
>> > >> >> > >>>
>> > >> >> > >>> Ignorance is bliss.
>> > >> >> > >>>
>> > >> >> > >>>
>> > >> >> > >>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Felix Nkansah
>> > >> >> > >>> <felixnkansah@gmail.com>wrote:
>> > >> >> > >>>
>> > >> >> > >>>> Hi,
>> > >> >> > >>>>
>> > >> >> > >>>> I have been to Dubai a couple of times.
>> > >> >> > >>>> It's been rated by some US and UK mags as the most peaceful
>> > >> place
>> > >> >> on
>> > >> >> > >>>> earth
>> > >> >> > >>>> for ten consecutive years. I mean it.
>> > >> >> > >>>>
>> > >> >> > >>>> At least you're not going to hear of car thefts or
>> robberies.
>> > I
>> > >> >> feel
>> > >> >> > >>>> safer
>> > >> >> > >>>> when walking out there.
>> > >> >> > >>>>
>> > >> >> > >>>> Of course, everything stands out for argument, but this is
>> my
>> > >> >> personal
>> > >> >> > >>>> observation of Dubai.
>> > >> >> > >>>>
>> > >> >> > >>>> Only that things are too expensive for my liking.
>> > >> >> > >>>>
>> > >> >> > >>>> Felix
>> > >> >> > >>>>
>> > >> >> > >>>>
>> > >> >> > >>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
>> > >> >> > >>>>
>> > >> >> > >>>>
>> > >> >> >
>> > >>
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>> > >> > --
>> > >> > Farhan.
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>> > > Muhammad Nasim
>> > > Network Engineer
>> > > Saudi Arabia
>> > >
>> >
>> >
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>> > --
>> > Syed Farhan A. Hussain
>> > CCIE #19871
>> > Senior Network Consultant
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