From: Farrukh Haroon (farrukhharoon@gmail.com)
Date: Sun Nov 23 2008 - 06:12:56 ARST
If this is what Farhan is getting, then its MUCH higher than the UAE market.
The market (specially for RnS CCIEs) is way lower than that. Its more in the
60/70K range.
Regards
Farrukh
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 5:38 AM, darth router <darklordrouter@gmail.com>wrote:
> over 100k tax free? I'd stay where your at. In fact, hook me up with a job
> :)
>
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Farhan Anwar <farhan.anwar@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Darby, would you please highlight, the problems, because the only reason
> i
> > was considering to move to US is growth and good, projects. I make more
> > than
> > 100,000 USD tax free, but with all the problems listed above. Moving to
> US
> > even after the recession is over and the market stability is regained, is
> > that a good move or not.
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Muhammad Nasim <
> muhammad.nasim@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Really are there people in US/Europe who are also badly stuck w.r.t
> > growth.
> > >
> > >
> > > If this is the case I am satisfied : )
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2008/11/22 Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > I know many engineers in the USA facing similar dilemmas,
> circumstances,
> > >> and
> > >> conditions typically for a lot less salary.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 6:10 AM, Farhan Anwar <farhan.anwar@gmail.com
> > >> >wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi All,
> > >> > I am working in the UAE, and as far as job options are concerned
> being
> > a
> > >> > CCIE, you don't have any problems for job, but i do agree some
> > companies
> > >> > have freezed their hiring because of the global economic slowdown.
> But
> > >> the
> > >> > effect here is minimal or not yet started in full swing :),
> specially
> > in
> > >> oil
> > >> > rich abu dhabi emirate.
> > >> >
> > >> > The place is good with unlimited and unique entertainment, leasure
> and
> > >> > shopping options. Safety is not an issue. Cars are cheap, like bmw's
> > and
> > >> > range-rovers are mostly the favorites. Fuel is cheap, almost 2.5
> USD
> > a
> > >> > gallon.
> > >> >
> > >> > Technically speaking, the problem is most of the people you interact
> > are
> > >> > not of technical background but they are sitting with extremely
> > >> technical
> > >> > designations and in the end you get frustrated that where the hell
> you
> > >> are
> > >> > stuck. Specially in Network Design and Security.
> > >> >
> > >> > I have faced some problems when i moved in here and this would also
> > >> answer
> > >> > why now i am trying to move onto the European or US market, let me
> > share
> > >> > with you the problems.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > - Technical Growth gets stuck, because i barely find any time
> free
> > to
> > >> > study as the time gets wasted in either commuting or
> traffic-jams.
> > >> > - On the job, learning is limited as the work is repeated most of
> > the
> > >> > time.
> > >> > - Most of the projects, even the smaller ones have uncapped
> budgets
> > >> > which defeats the purpose of optimization. For example an average
> > >> company
> > >> > would not have any problems buying up Bluecoat proxysg 8100, even
> > if
> > >> they
> > >> > dont haveany requirements for it.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > - Traffic, on an average 2 - 4 hours per day you have to get
> stuck.
> > >> In
> > >> > my opinion, the time you are spending on street is wasted as its
> > not
> > >> given
> > >> > to work or family. In this case, we usually work 8 hours, may be
> 10
> > >> hours
> > >> > some times, get 8 hours sleep which barely leaves sometime being
> > >> spent with
> > >> > the family.
> > >> > - You can't find the accommodation in the house-allowance the
> > company
> > >> > gives you. For doing some saving you have to move either to some
> > >> other
> > >> > emirate and waste more time or move into the accommodation that
> > takes
> > >> 50% of
> > >> > your salary in advance for the full year.
> > >> > - Since their is no train system yet introduced, every expat is
> > >> buying
> > >> > a car as first priority which is creating traffic, parking and
> > >> saturation
> > >> > issues.
> > >> > - Although there is no Tax on the income but you end up saving
> the
> > >> same
> > >> > amount of money which you would save in other regions.
> > >> > - The Internet access is still immature and highly dominated by a
> > >> > single player, the average dsl speeds avaiable are 256k, 512k and
> > 1M,
> > >> at the
> > >> > cost of 70 USD per month for 512k with extremely limited upload
> of
> > >> 128k.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Thats all i can think of right now, in the end, it is totally my
> > >> personal
> > >> > opinion and some people would agree and some may disagree.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On 11/22/08, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Some people may be having a hiring freeze and others can't fill
> some
> > >> >> positions. It's a rough battle.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Marko Milivojevic <
> > markom@markom.info
> > >> >> >wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > Aren't they, like pretty much the rest of the world, in a hiring
> > >> pause
> > >> >> now?
> > >> >> > :-)
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 12:51, Gary Duncanson
> > >> >> > <garyduncanson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> > >> >> > > Dubai rocks.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > Any interesting jobs out there unicast me.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > Regards
> > >> >> > > Gary
> > >> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <sheherezada@gmail.com>
> > >> >> > > To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >> >> > > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:46 AM
> > >> >> > > Subject: OT: CCIE Salary Survey
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > >> Both Cisco and IBM are moving their EMEA headquarters to
> Dubai,
> > as
> > >> I
> > >> >> > >> have heard. So no need to nominate someone.
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> > >> Mihai
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> > >> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 4:43 PM, Tony Varriale
> > >> >> > >> <tvarriale@flamboyaninc.com> wrote:
> > >> >> > >>>
> > >> >> > >>> Care to share your list? I have not seen one high profile
> exec
> > >> make
> > >> >> a
> > >> >> > >>> public statement supporting yours (and I don't know of any
> > living
> > >> >> > there).
> > >> >> > >>>
> > >> >> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >> > >>> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]
> On
> > >> >> Behalf
> > >> >> > Of
> > >> >> > >>> Darby Weaver
> > >> >> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:36 AM
> > >> >> > >>> To: Felix Nkansah
> > >> >> > >>> Cc: Muhammad Nasim; Jonny English; Administrator; Cyrus;
> Larry
> > >> >> > Letterman
> > >> >> > >>> (lletterm); Scott Morris; Joseph Brunner; Huzefa;
> > >> >> > ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > >> >> > >>> Subject: Re: CCIE Salary Survey
> > >> >> > >>>
> > >> >> > >>> Think of it like this....
> > >> >> > >>>
> > >> >> > >>> Most super US executives who can... do live or plan to move
> to
> > >> >> Dubai,
> > >> >> > >>> the
> > >> >> > >>> Internet City or something like that.
> > >> >> > >>>
> > >> >> > >>> It's not what you see on TV, it's Ultra-Modern. Makes cities
> > in
> > >> New
> > >> >> > York
> > >> >> > >>> and California look like the old west.
> > >> >> > >>>
> > >> >> > >>> Ignorance is bliss.
> > >> >> > >>>
> > >> >> > >>>
> > >> >> > >>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Felix Nkansah
> > >> >> > >>> <felixnkansah@gmail.com>wrote:
> > >> >> > >>>
> > >> >> > >>>> Hi,
> > >> >> > >>>>
> > >> >> > >>>> I have been to Dubai a couple of times.
> > >> >> > >>>> It's been rated by some US and UK mags as the most peaceful
> > >> place
> > >> >> on
> > >> >> > >>>> earth
> > >> >> > >>>> for ten consecutive years. I mean it.
> > >> >> > >>>>
> > >> >> > >>>> At least you're not going to hear of car thefts or
> robberies.
> > I
> > >> >> feel
> > >> >> > >>>> safer
> > >> >> > >>>> when walking out there.
> > >> >> > >>>>
> > >> >> > >>>> Of course, everything stands out for argument, but this is
> my
> > >> >> personal
> > >> >> > >>>> observation of Dubai.
> > >> >> > >>>>
> > >> >> > >>>> Only that things are too expensive for my liking.
> > >> >> > >>>>
> > >> >> > >>>> Felix
> > >> >> > >>>>
> > >> >> > >>>>
> > >> >> > >>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> > >> >> > >>>>
> > >> >> > >>>>
> > >> >> >
> > >>
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> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Farhan.
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Muhammad Nasim
> > > Network Engineer
> > > Saudi Arabia
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Syed Farhan A. Hussain
> > CCIE #19871
> > Senior Network Consultant
> > www.farhananwar.com
> >
> >
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