From: Ramcharan, Vijay A (vijay.ramcharan@verizonbusiness.com)
Date: Wed Nov 19 2008 - 18:44:10 ARST
This post is a gem in my opinion. I'll hang on to it.
Vijay Ramcharan
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Darby Weaver
Sent: November 19, 2008 15:24
To: Joseph Brunner
Cc: Tony Varriale; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: CCIE Salary Survey
Well maybe "most" was a big word.
How about some to be more exact. I seem to recall hearing of a few a
little
while back although each name is not on my tongue.
But Dubai is a fully modern city and it is not the picture most of us
are
accustomed to on CNN news.
As far as CCIE Salaries being high, I did post the names of a few
starving
recruiters on Network World with their contact information included for
those who need the information.
Now the truth is a lot fo CCIE's in the USA are well paid and typically
above the rates quoted in many trade rags.
The problem is for newer CCIE's who have not been in the field for very
long. CCNP and experienced non-certified/expired certified types
command
the rates in the trade rags. Newer CCIE's are typically not aware of
their
value and tend to accept the $100-150k salary range and may not
understand
what their true worth may be to a given company.
Example: If a CCIE works for a Cisco Gold Partner who needs 4 CCIE's
more
than the CEO needs his own Wife, Mom, or Daughter - ask yourself what
portion of the business relies on those 4 CCIE's - not just the actual
revenues generated directly by each of those 4 CCIE's... Maybe those 4
CCIE's will venture out to start a new Gold Partner - who knows - It is
the
USA and competition is strong here.
You all remember Smartnet Contracts... 20% of the cost of ALL the gear
a
given company has paid for from Cisco. Well... ask yourself what
relationship any 1 or 4 CCIE's has to that little treasure trove might
be
due to each CCIE's certification and the certification's own value to
the
partner in question.
It all comes down to supply and demand.
Newer CCIE's learning on Dynamips or conversely who are becoming CCIE's
without a wider view of the entire spectrum probably are not yet
accustomed
to all the perks a CCIE certification brings to the table for a given
employer. Particularly Cisco Partners.
So.. the term "money on the table" comes to mind.
Also note that CCIE's tend to hold most if not all the ACEs in the
typical
"Employer-Employee" contract, especially with regard to Cisco Partners.
Some partners may have an overstock of CCIE's and with good reason - it
allows them the upper hand in the relationship. However, Silver
Partners
and slim Gold Partners do not have that luxury.
CCIE's in the USA are a rare breed. CCIE's not allocated to a Cisco
Partner
or Cisco already are even more rare. Rare = $$$.
Look when a CCIE works for $50k or $60k. It hurts the entire ecosystem
of
CCIE's. Note no one complains if a CCIE works at the other end of the
spectrum and earns the whopping $10,000.00 per day or $2.5 million
annualized. Likewise no one complains if a CCIE becomes a principal and
earns far outside of the normal recognized boundaries.
Summary:
1. I'd have to hunt to find the CEO's who announced they were moving to
Dubai. MY google works great but I'm sure many of us can use it to
great
effect as well.
2. I already posted some recruiters who are looking for employees on a
previous post on Network World. Again Google should find that one
pretty
quickly. I can barely keep up with my own posts.
Bottom line: If a CCIE is earning above $100k then his or her salary is
about right. If a CCIE is earning above $250k then his or her salary is
about right. See the pattern?
Now if CCIE is earning below $100k, then I'd hope that CCIE is at least
very
very happily employed. In fact, I once saw an employer post that he'd
like
to meet any CCIE not earning $100k. - Again google is my best friend,
I'd
prefer it become yours too.
Sorry for saying most... I think prominent would have been the best use
of
words.
This is the one that caught my eye some time back:
http://www.dubaicity.com/news/Halliburton-Moving-C.E.O.-From-Houston-to-
Dubai-14-3.htm
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=14412
http://uk.reuters.com/article/rbssIndustryMaterialsUtilitiesNews/idUKN09
32559320081009
http://www.cfoasia.com/archives/200610-01.htm
http://www.tatweerdubai.com/En/PressReleases?PageID=2
http://blog.luxuryproperty.com/luxury-real-estate-trends-karl-lagerfeld-
designs-luxury-homes-in-dubai/
A few articles on Dubai that may be of some interest.
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Joseph Brunner
<joe@affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
> I doubt "most" executives... I work for a few... those guys think
going to
> a
> mets game at Shea is a hike...
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> Tony
> Varriale
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:52 AM
> To: 'Joseph Brunner'
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Salary Survey
>
> Thanks for your single person.
>
> Since Darby stated most, I was looking for most.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Brunner [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:44 AM
> To: 'Tony Varriale'
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Salary Survey
>
> Michael Garin, currently the CEO of CETV (NASDAQ traded) (owned by the
> Estee
> Lauder Family) is moving to DUBAI next year to work with the Dubai Abu
> Dhabi
> media company.
>
> I supported him at my old full time job; a genuine wonderful person
who was
> an absolute pleasure to work for. I'm sworn to secrecy, but he has
many
> many
> top well known people in business in his inner circle. I can't imagine
he
> would do something like this without good reason...
>
> You can read the story here.
>
>
>
http://www.uaeinteract.com/docs/Michael_Garin,_appointed_to_Executive_Co
mmit
> tee,_Abu_Dhabi_Media_Company/27952.htm
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> Tony
> Varriale
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:43 AM
> To: 'Darby Weaver'
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE Salary Survey
>
> Care to share your list? I have not seen one high profile exec make a
> public statement supporting yours (and I don't know of any living
there).
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf
Of
> Darby Weaver
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:36 AM
> To: Felix Nkansah
> Cc: Muhammad Nasim; Jonny English; Administrator; Cyrus; Larry
Letterman
> (lletterm); Scott Morris; Joseph Brunner; Huzefa;
ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: CCIE Salary Survey
>
> Think of it like this....
>
> Most super US executives who can... do live or plan to move to Dubai,
the
> Internet City or something like that.
>
> It's not what you see on TV, it's Ultra-Modern. Makes cities in New
York
> and California look like the old west.
>
> Ignorance is bliss.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Felix Nkansah
> <felixnkansah@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have been to Dubai a couple of times.
> > It's been rated by some US and UK mags as the most peaceful place on
> earth
> > for ten consecutive years. I mean it.
> >
> > At least you're not going to hear of car thefts or robberies. I feel
> safer
> > when walking out there.
> >
> > Of course, everything stands out for argument, but this is my
personal
> > observation of Dubai.
> >
> > Only that things are too expensive for my liking.
> >
> > Felix
> >
> >
> > Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net
> >
> >
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