From: Jonny English (redkidneybeans@gmail.com)
Date: Wed Nov 19 2008 - 21:31:36 ARST
Are you on google's payrole :) (only joking)
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Darby Weaver <ccie.weaver@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well maybe "most" was a big word.
>
> How about some to be more exact. I seem to recall hearing of a few a
> little
> while back although each name is not on my tongue.
>
> But Dubai is a fully modern city and it is not the picture most of us are
> accustomed to on CNN news.
>
> As far as CCIE Salaries being high, I did post the names of a few starving
> recruiters on Network World with their contact information included for
> those who need the information.
>
> Now the truth is a lot fo CCIE's in the USA are well paid and typically
> above the rates quoted in many trade rags.
>
> The problem is for newer CCIE's who have not been in the field for very
> long. CCNP and experienced non-certified/expired certified types command
> the rates in the trade rags. Newer CCIE's are typically not aware of their
> value and tend to accept the $100-150k salary range and may not understand
> what their true worth may be to a given company.
>
> Example: If a CCIE works for a Cisco Gold Partner who needs 4 CCIE's more
> than the CEO needs his own Wife, Mom, or Daughter - ask yourself what
> portion of the business relies on those 4 CCIE's - not just the actual
> revenues generated directly by each of those 4 CCIE's... Maybe those 4
> CCIE's will venture out to start a new Gold Partner - who knows - It is the
> USA and competition is strong here.
>
> You all remember Smartnet Contracts... 20% of the cost of ALL the gear a
> given company has paid for from Cisco. Well... ask yourself what
> relationship any 1 or 4 CCIE's has to that little treasure trove might be
> due to each CCIE's certification and the certification's own value to the
> partner in question.
>
> It all comes down to supply and demand.
>
> Newer CCIE's learning on Dynamips or conversely who are becoming CCIE's
> without a wider view of the entire spectrum probably are not yet accustomed
> to all the perks a CCIE certification brings to the table for a given
> employer. Particularly Cisco Partners.
>
> So.. the term "money on the table" comes to mind.
>
> Also note that CCIE's tend to hold most if not all the ACEs in the typical
> "Employer-Employee" contract, especially with regard to Cisco Partners.
> Some partners may have an overstock of CCIE's and with good reason - it
> allows them the upper hand in the relationship. However, Silver Partners
> and slim Gold Partners do not have that luxury.
>
> CCIE's in the USA are a rare breed. CCIE's not allocated to a Cisco
> Partner
> or Cisco already are even more rare. Rare = $$$.
>
> Look when a CCIE works for $50k or $60k. It hurts the entire ecosystem of
> CCIE's. Note no one complains if a CCIE works at the other end of the
> spectrum and earns the whopping $10,000.00 per day or $2.5 million
> annualized. Likewise no one complains if a CCIE becomes a principal and
> earns far outside of the normal recognized boundaries.
>
> Summary:
>
> 1. I'd have to hunt to find the CEO's who announced they were moving to
> Dubai. MY google works great but I'm sure many of us can use it to great
> effect as well.
>
> 2. I already posted some recruiters who are looking for employees on a
> previous post on Network World. Again Google should find that one pretty
> quickly. I can barely keep up with my own posts.
>
>
> Bottom line: If a CCIE is earning above $100k then his or her salary is
> about right. If a CCIE is earning above $250k then his or her salary is
> about right. See the pattern?
>
> Now if CCIE is earning below $100k, then I'd hope that CCIE is at least
> very
> very happily employed. In fact, I once saw an employer post that he'd
> like
> to meet any CCIE not earning $100k. - Again google is my best friend, I'd
> prefer it become yours too.
>
> Sorry for saying most... I think prominent would have been the best use of
> words.
>
> This is the one that caught my eye some time back:
>
>
> http://www.dubaicity.com/news/Halliburton-Moving-C.E.O.-From-Houston-to-Dubai-14-3.htm
>
> http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=14412
>
>
> http://uk.reuters.com/article/rbssIndustryMaterialsUtilitiesNews/idUKN0932559320081009
>
> http://www.cfoasia.com/archives/200610-01.htm
>
> http://www.tatweerdubai.com/En/PressReleases?PageID=2
>
>
> http://blog.luxuryproperty.com/luxury-real-estate-trends-karl-lagerfeld-designs-luxury-homes-in-dubai/
>
>
> A few articles on Dubai that may be of some interest.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Joseph Brunner <joe@affirmedsystems.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I doubt "most" executives... I work for a few... those guys think going
> to
> > a
> > mets game at Shea is a hike...
> >
> > -Joe
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Tony
> > Varriale
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:52 AM
> > To: 'Joseph Brunner'
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE Salary Survey
> >
> > Thanks for your single person.
> >
> > Since Darby stated most, I was looking for most.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joseph Brunner [mailto:joe@affirmedsystems.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:44 AM
> > To: 'Tony Varriale'
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE Salary Survey
> >
> > Michael Garin, currently the CEO of CETV (NASDAQ traded) (owned by the
> > Estee
> > Lauder Family) is moving to DUBAI next year to work with the Dubai Abu
> > Dhabi
> > media company.
> >
> > I supported him at my old full time job; a genuine wonderful person who
> was
> > an absolute pleasure to work for. I'm sworn to secrecy, but he has many
> > many
> > top well known people in business in his inner circle. I can't imagine he
> > would do something like this without good reason...
> >
> > You can read the story here.
> >
> >
> >
> http://www.uaeinteract.com/docs/Michael_Garin,_appointed_to_Executive_Commit
> > tee,_Abu_Dhabi_Media_Company/27952.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Tony
> > Varriale
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:43 AM
> > To: 'Darby Weaver'
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: CCIE Salary Survey
> >
> > Care to share your list? I have not seen one high profile exec make a
> > public statement supporting yours (and I don't know of any living there).
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > Darby Weaver
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:36 AM
> > To: Felix Nkansah
> > Cc: Muhammad Nasim; Jonny English; Administrator; Cyrus; Larry Letterman
> > (lletterm); Scott Morris; Joseph Brunner; Huzefa; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: CCIE Salary Survey
> >
> > Think of it like this....
> >
> > Most super US executives who can... do live or plan to move to Dubai,
> the
> > Internet City or something like that.
> >
> > It's not what you see on TV, it's Ultra-Modern. Makes cities in New York
> > and California look like the old west.
> >
> > Ignorance is bliss.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 3:53 AM, Felix Nkansah
> > <felixnkansah@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I have been to Dubai a couple of times.
> > > It's been rated by some US and UK mags as the most peaceful place on
> > earth
> > > for ten consecutive years. I mean it.
> > >
> > > At least you're not going to hear of car thefts or robberies. I feel
> > safer
> > > when walking out there.
> > >
> > > Of course, everything stands out for argument, but this is my personal
> > > observation of Dubai.
> > >
> > > Only that things are too expensive for my liking.
> > >
> > > Felix
> > >
> > >
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