From: AMILABS (amilabs@optonline.net)
Date: Fri Nov 14 2008 - 00:27:59 ARST
It may not be all as bad in the US due to the 01 dot com bust. Why, well
many folks who had no business being in our industry from the 90s got weeded
out and many younger folks were turned off to technology or told not to
study it.
Result a real shortage of talent.
As a person who has been in networking since 1988 and has been in private
practice since 1995 consulting in forensic protocol analysis and cisco
networking with a serious track record of accomplishments. I know this to be
true regarding the shortage. How, well I have been out of the cisco hands on
world for about 2 years(yes I am getting rusty) working on my energy project
and patent. I updated my resume a month ago and put it on Dice, monster etc.
and for the last month my has been going phone is off the hook with borks
calling me for gigs all over the country, even in the middle of this
financial crises.
Yes I did set myself up nicely with no debt and lots of funds to carry me
for years but my point is that if a rusty guy like me can get the calls then
I believe all of you will too. Just be positive, hopeful and keep reading.
There is a shortage and demand will be high. Companies actually hire more
temp. help to keep their head count flexible without any hard commitments so
there will be plenty of opportunity.
I have been through the 1991/92 and 2000/01 recessions and survived and if
you truly love what you do you will too.
Good luck to all.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Joseph Brunner
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:16 PM
To: 'Pavel Bykov'
Cc: 'Jonny English'; 'Larry'; 'Darby Weaver'; 'Cisco certification'
Subject: RE: Job Cuts
Actually Pavel, I was giving the group some of my insight into how I've
managed to be in INCREDIBLY STRONG demand for 8 years in the Cisco field
(more than ever recently, I sleep 4 hours a night) consistently get promoted
and build very strong relationships while at full-time jobs. I then used
those relationships to launch my own company in 2006 and make my own way.
That's not rhetoric, that results... 3 of my current clients on monthly
retainer are ex-bosses from my full time jobs. 1 to the tune of an ongoing
six-figure consulting engagement. I didn't "manipulate my environment", I
managed it. I treated them with respect and showed them so much value they
remembered me when they went on to bigger and better things :)
I could have been a pain to work with, but I quickly realized even a city of
8 Million, with 20+ Million in the metro area, it's still a small place. I
constantly run into old co-workers, associates and I couldn't imagine being
anything less than a gentleman in business or at a job.
Of course I agree you are right about this line
"I knew people that held high consultant positions just because of
manipulations you are talking about."
I can name a few ;)
Those people always get what's coming to them. Believe me. Remember the
warden in "The Shawshank Redemption". Right before he shoots himself the
sign on the wall-
"His judgment commeth, and that right soon"
I wouldn't say these people have to shoot themselves, but they always get
what's coming to them ;)
LOL
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Pavel Bykov
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 6:29 PM
To: Joseph Brunner
Cc: Jonny English; Larry; Darby Weaver; Cisco certification
Subject: Re: Job Cuts
Joseph, all you pointers are a basic subset of rhetoric manipulation. And
they accomplish exactly what their purpose is: manipulate environment to
your advantage, be it due to personal qualities, image actualization or
visibility. Like increasing your attractiveness to employer and creating
impressions.
But for what it's worth, it all comes down to what a person wants. If job
for me is more important then who I am, then I would alter my personality,
habits, and basically suck it up. Maybe step by step we will get to the
points of Eastern companies where employees sign company's hymn every
morning and their loyalty to the company is endless (there are really many
companies like that)
I, for one, much rather get fired then to turn away from personal
development. For me, the company is a place where you should be enabled to
grow your potential, constantly learn, realize your skills and be involved
in evolving networking fabric that connect so many people. Maybe get some
money on the side. Company is a way, not the goal. Also this way the
employer hires real me, not flashy presentation which we are too accustomed
to. I knew people that held high consultant positions just because of
manipulations you are talking about.
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 10:44 PM, Joseph Brunner
<joe@affirmedsystems.com>wrote:
> As the owner of my own company the best advice I can give to the self and
> the fulltime staff here for staying working in these tough times is-
>
>
> 1. Don't be afraid to do other things. At first I resisted doing MS
> Exchange, Active Directory, scripting, etc. The most valuable "jack" often
> has to be a master of more than one trade.
>
> 2. Make yourself visible. I don't mean bring the boss or the director an
> apple :) but jump on issues, be aggressive. If is a 10 second discussion
in
> the hallway, or the unexpected proposal you drop on someone's desk and
they
> just read it on the way home on the train; its one more thing that let's
> people know you are a good investment.
>
>
> 3. Don't brag. 2 people can brag; Carlos Slim Helu and Nathan Rothschild
> III. The rest of us have to work in the trenches and see how it turns out.
> Don't tell someone you know something don't. Show them. You'll win more
> friends with small mouth (especially in these times).
>
>
> 4. Don't Lie. Most people can see right through your lies, even if their
> just little white lies. You must tell the truth. You will be judged by
your
> boss, and your co-workers and they must trust you.
>
>
> 5. Be dependable. If you say 8am that means 7:50am. That does not mean
> 8:15am or 9:00am. If you are the guy in the bunch that is the most
on-time,
> the most reliable it will be an easy choice when the boss gets told he has
> to make some staff cuts. Believe me on this one.
>
>
> 6. And last, Be social. Most top executives and bosses will take the
> average
> guy who tells users and fellow staff members what he is doing, why he is
> doing it and how it will work over the "genius in the corner". The genius
> in
> the corner is of course the guy you want on "show ip route eigrp",
> "show ip eigrp top all" & "show run | inc interface|access-group|ip
route".
> I know it's hard for some of us. When our hot little brains get going, why
> would we want to even look at someone with an IQ 25% lowers than ours and
> let them know why we just did something... but believe me. I call them the
> "jocks with the checks" who pay our bills. And they want the guy on their
> team who is nice to work with. Period.
>
>
> -Joe
> Whole Unabridged Male #19366
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Jonny English
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:05 PM
> To: Larry
> Cc: Darby Weaver; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Job Cuts
>
> you really think ccie is going to keep jobs safe? The company I work for
> are
> getting rid of consultants, probably me too from what was said and keeping
> graduates which i found odd. I was really confused when they told us.
>
> I guess the best thing to do is work for a gold partner or something :)
>
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Larry <cc13lab@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > lots of 1st/2nd level engineers being outsourced at large service
> providers
> > (att, verizon etc) leading to layoffs. going to be a growing trend as we
> can
> > pay an engineer with a ccnp and 2+ years of experience the equivalant of
> 12K
> > per year overseas.... customers don't really seem to care as long as the
> > price of the service is right... only way to beat this, get your ccie!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Darby Weaver
> <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Which country or state?
> >>
> >> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Jonny English <
> redkidneybeans@gmail.com
> >> >wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > Anyone experiencing layoffs at the moment?
> >> >
> >> > Are things getting bad for anyone. The company I work for are laying
> off
> >> > people due to the recession. I'm trying to see how bad things are out
> >> there
> >> > so I can see how tough it would be to get a job.
> >> >
> >> > --
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> >> >
> >> >
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> >> >
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