From: Gary Duncanson (garyduncanson@btinternet.com)
Date: Fri Nov 14 2008 - 06:28:42 ARST
All good advice. Especially no 6. Nobody likes to work with a smart alec.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
To: "'Jonny English'" <redkidneybeans@gmail.com>; "'Larry'"
<cc13lab@gmail.com>
Cc: "'Darby Weaver'" <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>; "'Cisco certification'"
<ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:44 PM
Subject: RE: Job Cuts
> As the owner of my own company the best advice I can give to the self and
> the fulltime staff here for staying working in these tough times is-
>
>
> 1. Don't be afraid to do other things. At first I resisted doing MS
> Exchange, Active Directory, scripting, etc. The most valuable "jack" often
> has to be a master of more than one trade.
>
> 2. Make yourself visible. I don't mean bring the boss or the director an
> apple :) but jump on issues, be aggressive. If is a 10 second discussion
> in
> the hallway, or the unexpected proposal you drop on someone's desk and
> they
> just read it on the way home on the train; its one more thing that let's
> people know you are a good investment.
>
>
> 3. Don't brag. 2 people can brag; Carlos Slim Helu and Nathan Rothschild
> III. The rest of us have to work in the trenches and see how it turns out.
> Don't tell someone you know something don't. Show them. You'll win more
> friends with small mouth (especially in these times).
>
>
> 4. Don't Lie. Most people can see right through your lies, even if their
> just little white lies. You must tell the truth. You will be judged by
> your
> boss, and your co-workers and they must trust you.
>
>
> 5. Be dependable. If you say 8am that means 7:50am. That does not mean
> 8:15am or 9:00am. If you are the guy in the bunch that is the most
> on-time,
> the most reliable it will be an easy choice when the boss gets told he has
> to make some staff cuts. Believe me on this one.
>
>
> 6. And last, Be social. Most top executives and bosses will take the
> average
> guy who tells users and fellow staff members what he is doing, why he is
> doing it and how it will work over the "genius in the corner". The genius
> in
> the corner is of course the guy you want on "show ip route eigrp",
> "show ip eigrp top all" & "show run | inc interface|access-group|ip
> route".
> I know it's hard for some of us. When our hot little brains get going, why
> would we want to even look at someone with an IQ 25% lowers than ours and
> let them know why we just did something... but believe me. I call them the
> "jocks with the checks" who pay our bills. And they want the guy on their
> team who is nice to work with. Period.
>
>
> -Joe
> Whole Unabridged Male #19366
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Jonny English
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:05 PM
> To: Larry
> Cc: Darby Weaver; Cisco certification
> Subject: Re: Job Cuts
>
> you really think ccie is going to keep jobs safe? The company I work for
> are
> getting rid of consultants, probably me too from what was said and keeping
> graduates which i found odd. I was really confused when they told us.
>
> I guess the best thing to do is work for a gold partner or something :)
>
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 3:15 AM, Larry <cc13lab@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> lots of 1st/2nd level engineers being outsourced at large service
> providers
>> (att, verizon etc) leading to layoffs. going to be a growing trend as we
> can
>> pay an engineer with a ccnp and 2+ years of experience the equivalant of
> 12K
>> per year overseas.... customers don't really seem to care as long as the
>> price of the service is right... only way to beat this, get your ccie!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Darby Weaver
> <ccie.weaver@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Which country or state?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Jonny English
>>> <redkidneybeans@gmail.com
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > Anyone experiencing layoffs at the moment?
>>> >
>>> > Are things getting bad for anyone. The company I work for are laying
> off
>>> > people due to the recession. I'm trying to see how bad things are out
>>> there
>>> > so I can see how tough it would be to get a job.
>>> >
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